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re: Which human being has made the biggest impact on human history?

Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:40 pm to
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:40 pm to
Well it also has Paul behind Charles Dickens so whatever
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:40 pm to
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For me, I would say if Jesus of Nazareth did exist, divine or not, he seems to have impacted the course of world events the most.

He likely did NOT exist, and even if he did it was Paul, not Jesus, who impacted the world.

Posted by foshizzle
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:56 pm to
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He likely did NOT exist, and even if he did it was Paul, not Jesus, who impacted the world.



True.

But I'm still going with Fritz Haber.
Posted by Obsidian
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:27 pm to
Alexander the Great is up there
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:18 pm to
Cant believe King John isn't on that list. Signed the Magna Carta. Every president except one is a decedent of him.
Posted by ISmellMischief
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 6:53 am to
Jessie Jackson
Posted by TheSexecutioner
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:13 am to
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I hate to say it but Adolf Hittler.
His tryanty caused a series of events


Not really. He really is only responsible for the killing of the Jews and other "undesirables"..... Europe would likely have been in a war regardless of who was leading Germany. Germany was getting powerful and England didn't want to give up their old world dominance.

Don't forget that the war started when England came to protect Poland from what was probably an abusive regime and ended when England allowed Poland to be ruled over by an unquestionably evil and oppressive regime. It's pretty clear they didn't give a shite what Hitler wanted with Poland or anything else.
Posted by UL-SabanRival
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:34 am to
Anybody say Edison? Because it's Edison, all big bad capitalistic proclivities notwithstanding.
Posted by UHTiger
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:38 am to
Jonas salk's work has had a pretty big impact

Confuscious

Elvis


None of these necessarily belong at the top but have had a huge impact on the world and I haven't seen them mentioned in thread
Posted by Geekboy
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 7:50 am to
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He likely did NOT exist, and even if he did it was Paul, not Jesus, who impacted the world.

Finally, good and hard evidence that Rex is an idiot.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:33 am to
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Finally, good and hard evidence that Rex is an idiot.

New here?

Statistically you have a much better chance of reading a Rex post which reinforces his idiocy/lunacy than one which conveys any sense of normalcy by him.

As in 98:2 or so.

He's a legacy though, we HAVE to take him.
Posted by BGSB
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:39 am to
I would say Jesus, unfortunately Very Very few have a clue as to what he really taught, hence the insane world we see today.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:49 am to
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I would say Jesus, unfortunately Very Very few have a clue as to what he really taught, hence the insane world we see today.

So not Jesus, then
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:58 am to
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But while Genghis is just a historic figure, Jesus still impacts the lives of roughly 30% of the worlds population today. And he did this by traveling less the 50 miles from where he was born and was only in the public like 4 years or so. And he did this over 1000 years befor Genghis and is still doing it 2000 years later. No other man that has ever lived can say this.


I'm not one to downplay the role of Jesus and think he has a real role in this discussion, but literally every society from Vietnam to Hungary is still (strongly) shaped by what the Khans did.
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 12:06 pm to
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He likely did NOT exist,


As someone who much earlier in the thread pointed out that Jesus' existence is not conclusive, I do have to concede that most scholars believe that he did.

quote:

and even if he did it was Paul, not Jesus, who impacted the world.


Now here is where you're on much firmer (if less diplomatic) ground.

While they may be contemporary evidence of his existence (for the sake of argument, we'll say there is), there is no contemporary evidence of his teachings and influence.

That all came later through Paul and the Gospels (which were written after Jesus' death and not by the people under whose names they are credited)

In addition, as mentioned numerous times, Constantine is the one that really elevated Christianity and even he had some "conditions" in exchange for doing that (some of the early Gospels had to go, for instance)

So, yeah, this may have nominally been done in Jesus' "name" but was he really the influencer here?
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 12:21 pm to
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Jesus..... End of discussion


Without Eve's shenanigans with the father of lies, Jesus is not necessary, so Eve.
Posted by BGSB
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 12:41 pm to
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So not Jesus, then



Well the impact was not only big, it was the only impact. What he taught was that there is nothing here but an ego thought system, a mind dreaming. He showed how it could be transcended. Mastery through Love. He taught that all beings are innocent, and simply do not know what they are doing.

Unfortunately people learn through a nightmare of pain and suffering. The outcome is certain, there is and can be only 1 outcome
Posted by VaBamaMan
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 1:00 pm to
Rex and I agree on Paul. Which is terrifying to me. Might be time to reconsider my life.


Random name to consider.

Cyrus the Great.
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