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re: Which group will likely tilt the St. George vote? It's all about undecided voters

Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:26 am to
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
55943 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:26 am to
I think it happens to
They are kidding themselves if they don't think there will be higher taxes
It's going to be more expensive than they think

The interesting vote will be those who are in the magnet system already and Baton Rouge High is where they are at or where they want to go. Those votes will be crucial as well.
Posted by LSUTigerFan247
Member since Jun 2017
3808 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:33 am to
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They are kidding themselves if they don't think there will be higher taxes
It's going to be more expensive than they think


The population of Baton Rouge has been stagnant for 40 years, literally, yet taxes have spiked, legacy costs have spiked, number of government employees has spiked, crime has spiked, education has plummeted and confidence in leadership has fallen to an all time low.

At least those in St George are willing to try incorporation and staying in the parish as opposed to choosing what 10s of thousands of people have been doing over the past 50 years, leaving for a nearby parish, commuting to BR for work, then taking all their money back to another parish.

Im sure its just a coincidence that the #1 through #4 school districts are Zachary, Central, Ascension and Livingston Parishes though. EBR is like 53 or something, out of 64 as I recall.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:40 am
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6538 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:35 am to
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Lipsey is bombarding hones with mail outs telling people they could lose sheriff services, drainage services, sewer services and your taxes are going up.


I call it "fear mail"
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17204 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:36 am to
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Every registered voter in the area.


This is true for the formation of the city. However to get its own school system requires a constitutional amendment which requires a state wide vote.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134630 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:37 am to
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I call it "fear mail"



“Scare Mail” is better, since it’s a more direct call back to “air mail”

Though I suppose air mail really isn’t a thing anymore since so much of it is on planes
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 8:38 am
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6538 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:39 am to
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However to get its own school system requires a constitutional amendment which requires a state wide vote.


I remember reading this. Why does the whole state get to vote on a city choosing to create their own school system seeing as the public school systems are administered on a parish by parish basis?
Posted by Brummy
Central, LA
Member since Oct 2009
4670 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:40 am to
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I'd say it's probably closer to 70-30 for the incorporation

I hope you're right, but I think it will end up being very close. I can see the TBR scare tactics about higher property taxes being effective on older people without school-age children, and that group typically turns out to vote in high numbers, especially with the gubernatorial race on the ticket. The St. George proponents are going to really need to rally their side to get out the vote, especially with the election on the LSU/Florida game which will likely be a 2:30 kickoff.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:42 am to
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undecided voters


I'm not from there...but who in the hell could be undecided about leaving ebr and that cluster F of leadership? Who would say "yeah, I think I'll trust ebr to fix things"....lol
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63408 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:42 am to
Yes.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
14057 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:43 am to
It’s always about the undecided voter. The side that gets the undecideds off their couches wins.

Except in San Francisco. Those elections are set in advance
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6538 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:44 am to
If people choose not to vote that day because of a football game that occurs every year, yeah, it doesn't deserve to pass.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63408 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:45 am to
What the Better Together people don't realize is people will stay in EBR Parish if this passes as opposed to flocking to Ascension or Livingston Parishes. They fail to see that half of something is better than all of nothing.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25436 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:46 am to
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“Undecided” voters at this point are St George voters who don’t want to say so because they don’t want to be harassed.


Bingo.

I'm so pro-St G, it hurts. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna go step in front of that bus on Facebook or something.

Anyone who isn't vocally against it is probably for it.
Posted by Brummy
Central, LA
Member since Oct 2009
4670 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:49 am to
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Why does the whole state get to vote on a city choosing to create their own school system seeing as the public school systems are administered on a parish by parish basis?

Because the current state constitution is designed to consolidate power at the state level, particularly with the governor, not to emphasize local control.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25436 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:50 am to
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What the Better Together people don't realize is people will stay in EBR Parish if this passes as opposed to flocking to Ascension or Livingston Parishes. They fail to see that half of something is better than all of nothing.


This is the whole crux of my argument to anyone I choose to speak to about it. I think SG is the only way EBR can reverse it's outflow. Without it, AP and LP will continue to flourish while EBR dies on the vine.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63408 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:55 am to
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This is the whole crux of my argument to anyone I choose to speak to about it. I think SG is the only way EBR can reverse it's outflow. Without it, AP and LP will continue to flourish while EBR dies on the vine.



Exactly, and this is the exact reason why I support the incorporation effort because EBR will soon be on life support if this does not pass.
Posted by Tigerbait2323
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2010
415 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:16 am to
I'm from the St. George area and I do not know anybody that is against the move. Bring on the vote.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:26 am to
LSU and the Mall of Louisiana are going to regret their annexation moves. Perkins Rowe finna eat.
Posted by LSUTigerFan247
Member since Jun 2017
3808 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:26 am to
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I'm from the St. George area and I do not know anybody that is against the move. Bring on the vote.



Pretty much anyone that owns property and year after year is forced to pay taxes for the EBR school system as it continues to fail after 50 years, is going to vote for St George. School system or not, it gets tiring paying the bill to keep North Baton Rouge on life support. Nothing will ever happen there, NOTHING EVER. No viable business wants to spend money there only to be robbed into oblivion, have their employees potentially killed when locking up, deal with irrational thugs who do not value anyone's life or property, etc. It will forever be weave shops, pay-day loan places, nail salons, liquor stores and convenience stores, period. Whose fault is this? Certainly not the people who don't live there, shop there or work there. Those people are tired of paying into a system that only gave them 1 MFing high school in their area of 100K people. 1 high school, that is the total amount of public high schools in the St George area. My 4th grade kid could see how lopsided and terribly run everything in this entire city-parish is.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:26 am to
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I'm from the St. George area and I do not know anybody that is against the move. Bring on the vote.



Every person in the area that I know who is against it is over the age of 60.
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