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re: Which country’s military do you consider to have won WWI?
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:14 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:14 am to TigerFanInSouthland
There was no winner, it was a cease fire.
The Treaty of Versailles was a "sign here and take blame" document rather than a "peace treaty". Obviously, this helped lead into WWII.
The Treaty of Versailles was a "sign here and take blame" document rather than a "peace treaty". Obviously, this helped lead into WWII.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
France and England outlasted Germany
I heard if the English dead marched four abreast it would take three days for them to pass you
I heard if the English dead marched four abreast it would take three days for them to pass you
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:07 am to CoachDon
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There was no winner, it was a cease fire. The Treaty of Versailles was a "sign here and take blame" document rather than a "peace treaty". Obviously, this helped lead into WWII.
Idk if you read the terms of the Versailles Treaty but that definitely wasn’t a cease fire, that was as complete of a victory as you could want in war. Toppled the enemy’s government, made their military completely disband, take away any land titles they have. That was a total victory and they were harder on the German people after WWI than after WWII.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:16 am to TigerFanInSouthland
The clear cut winner of WWI was Japan.
1. Emerged as a respected world power
2. One of few countries to gain territory as a result of WWI
3. Launched the first naval based air raid in humn history
4. The vaunted British Navy asked the Japanese Navy for assistance in South Africa and the Med.
5. Essentially turned china into it's own colony
1. Emerged as a respected world power
2. One of few countries to gain territory as a result of WWI
3. Launched the first naval based air raid in humn history
4. The vaunted British Navy asked the Japanese Navy for assistance in South Africa and the Med.
5. Essentially turned china into it's own colony
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:19 am to TigerFanInSouthland
You take away either France or Russia and central powers win.
Russia before they bowed out kept Germans in the east. France not crumbling never allowed Germany to run back western forces to the east. And by the time they were able to move troops east to west it was too late.
Russia before they bowed out kept Germans in the east. France not crumbling never allowed Germany to run back western forces to the east. And by the time they were able to move troops east to west it was too late.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:21 am to ZappBrannigan
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Russia before they bowed out kept Germans in the east.
I think y’all are overestimating Germany’s presence in the east in regards to Russia.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:52 am to elprez00
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I made the mistake recently of heading down the wiki and google rabbit hole with Verdun. There are places that are still uninhabitable. Jesus how do people do that stuff?
Zone Rouge is pretty fascinating.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:02 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Well, France should at least get points for hosting.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:06 am to TigerFanInSouthland
The USA's military is the answer.
Not only the ground forces that fought on the Western Front, but the US Navy also.
The US Navy contributed considerably to the Allied victory.
Not only the ground forces that fought on the Western Front, but the US Navy also.
The US Navy contributed considerably to the Allied victory.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:23 am to Old Money
There was no one single military who can lay claim to having “won” the war. The truth of the matter is it was very much a group effort that no one Allied power could have done alone.
France would have collapsed in 1914 without Great Britain’s aid and Russia tying down German armies in the East. And even with British help in 1917 France came within a whisker of complete collapse when huge portions of its army broke down in full Munity. So while the French suffered terribly, they never could have even survived, much less won, the war alone.
Great Britain didn’t even have a proper field army until almost a year into the war. And even then they never had the strength break the Germans all on their own, even with their naval blockade of German ports. So while Great Britian played arguably the most pivotal role in the war as whole, they could have never won it alone.
Russia suffered huge losses, although scoring some notible sucessss, especially against Austria-Hungary. But the fact still remains the Russian Empire was destroyed by WWI and fell in revolution, forcing Russia to sue for peace as it was plunged into its own internal civil war. So seeing how Russia was destroyed before the war even ended, they can’t say they won, or even survived, the war.
Italy played the important role of tying down German and Austrian forces along the Isonzo Front. But just as France needed help to keep from total collapse, so too Italy also had to have help from both France and Great Britian to keep her in the war. So really Italy, even more than France required help just to survive the war.
The United States came in late and helped deliver the death blow. But this was only after the Germans had already been bled white for three long years. And let’s not forget that almost all the artillery, tanks, and aircraft used by American Forces, not to mention a lot of training, came from the British and French Forces. So while the US all but financed the allied effort throughout the war and her armies helped deliver the killing blow. The US can’t take credit as having won the war on its own due it the fact that without French or British heavy weapons, the American Army in France would have been little more than a mob armed with little more than their bolt action rifles and a few shotguns.
So, if you put all the facts of WWI together, the only logical conclusion is to say is that no one allied power can say their army (or navy) alone “won” the war. They all both assisted and required assistance from the other allied powers. None could have done it alone.
France would have collapsed in 1914 without Great Britain’s aid and Russia tying down German armies in the East. And even with British help in 1917 France came within a whisker of complete collapse when huge portions of its army broke down in full Munity. So while the French suffered terribly, they never could have even survived, much less won, the war alone.
Great Britain didn’t even have a proper field army until almost a year into the war. And even then they never had the strength break the Germans all on their own, even with their naval blockade of German ports. So while Great Britian played arguably the most pivotal role in the war as whole, they could have never won it alone.
Russia suffered huge losses, although scoring some notible sucessss, especially against Austria-Hungary. But the fact still remains the Russian Empire was destroyed by WWI and fell in revolution, forcing Russia to sue for peace as it was plunged into its own internal civil war. So seeing how Russia was destroyed before the war even ended, they can’t say they won, or even survived, the war.
Italy played the important role of tying down German and Austrian forces along the Isonzo Front. But just as France needed help to keep from total collapse, so too Italy also had to have help from both France and Great Britian to keep her in the war. So really Italy, even more than France required help just to survive the war.
The United States came in late and helped deliver the death blow. But this was only after the Germans had already been bled white for three long years. And let’s not forget that almost all the artillery, tanks, and aircraft used by American Forces, not to mention a lot of training, came from the British and French Forces. So while the US all but financed the allied effort throughout the war and her armies helped deliver the killing blow. The US can’t take credit as having won the war on its own due it the fact that without French or British heavy weapons, the American Army in France would have been little more than a mob armed with little more than their bolt action rifles and a few shotguns.
So, if you put all the facts of WWI together, the only logical conclusion is to say is that no one allied power can say their army (or navy) alone “won” the war. They all both assisted and required assistance from the other allied powers. None could have done it alone.
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:31 am to crazy4lsu
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I agree that the US-led world order was far better than the British or French or Russians or Germans leading it.
Stalin had as much or more to do with the world order than any nation. He out negotiated a weak FDR despite Churchill's protests.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:48 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Whats funny is Prussia went much easier on France after the Napoleonic Wars. France was still mad over 1870.
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