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When will society accept that college isn’t for everybody?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:59 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:59 am
One solid way to reduce student loan debt is stop telling Timmy who has a 2.1 high school GPA in his senior year that college is the only way to get ahead in life. Timmy should probably be told academics is obviously not his thing and that he should probably go to trade school.
I have a BA from LSU in a major that I’m not using for my office job, so happy that I wasn’t the one paying for it. I’d be so mad if I went 5 figures in debt for this.
Higher education was intended for a small percentage of society and that’s where it needs to be. A college degree used to give you a big chance of success. but once the masses have that option, it’s value depreciates rapidly. Look what happened to the high school diploma. My parents told me that there was a time most people didn’t have that and it opened doors. Now it’s nothing. All you’re gonna do is have a society with college degrees, with no jobs, and will mostly be 5-6 figures in debt. Admissions need to drive up requirements to get in.
I have a BA from LSU in a major that I’m not using for my office job, so happy that I wasn’t the one paying for it. I’d be so mad if I went 5 figures in debt for this.
Higher education was intended for a small percentage of society and that’s where it needs to be. A college degree used to give you a big chance of success. but once the masses have that option, it’s value depreciates rapidly. Look what happened to the high school diploma. My parents told me that there was a time most people didn’t have that and it opened doors. Now it’s nothing. All you’re gonna do is have a society with college degrees, with no jobs, and will mostly be 5-6 figures in debt. Admissions need to drive up requirements to get in.
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:00 am to Parmen
your shtick is turrible
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:00 am to Parmen
Tom Tuttle, Tacoma Washington.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:01 am to ThatMakesSense
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:01 am to Parmen
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:03 am to Parmen
Private trade schools could he a huge money maker. I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. And I don't mean the shitty trade schools you see in commercials.
But a professionally run and professionally presented university that teaches Plumbing, electrical, hvac, welding, etc... alongside some basic business skills and critical thinking.
But a professionally run and professionally presented university that teaches Plumbing, electrical, hvac, welding, etc... alongside some basic business skills and critical thinking.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:04 am to Parmen
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When will society accept that college isn’t for everybody?
When the funding dries up.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:05 am to Parmen
How many art history majors are serving coffee at Starbucks?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:07 am to Parmen
So who decides who's College material, you?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:08 am to Parmen
I agree. Why should you have to go to a 4 year college to become an accountant? We should have a 2 year accounting school instead. You can learn history on your own if you desire.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:08 am to Parmen
Not only does everybody having a college diploma depreciate the value of a college diploma, it also forces people into getting their Masters, etc. and into more school, into more debt, and out of the work place for longer.
The Case Against Education
The Case Against Education
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:09 am to Parmen
Wow, hot take!
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:12 am to Parmen
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:14 am to Parmen
Not soon enough to save a lot of people from investing a lot of time and money into something that isn’t for them when they could invest in learning a trade or skill set that will make them as much or more and make them a lot happier as a result.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:16 am to Parmen
Society doesn't accept that now?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:17 am to Parmen
Never
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:20 am to Breesus
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But a professionally run and professionally presented university that teaches Plumbing, electrical, hvac, welding, etc... alongside some basic business skills and critical thinking.
I'm 40. When I was in H.S. we had the option of going to Vo-Tech our Jr. and/or Senior year. You could take Auto Body Repair, Mechanics, Drafting, Electrical, Carpentry, Nursing or Food Service. I ended up taking drafting for one year and although I didn't get a job drafting out of HS it did help me in my career as a fitter. Did that for 15 years and now I have a job as a draftsman. I have a few friends who own their electrical repair companies who took electrical at VoTech. One of the biggest and best home builders in Houma took Carpentry there as well.
There's nothing wrong with not having a college degree. A will to work, not being a complete dumbass and being able to pass a drug screen can still go pretty far in todays job market.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:26 am to Parmen
College should be for the rich and exceptionally bright. It's probably not worth it for anyone else.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:26 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Not only does everybody having a college diploma depreciate the value of a college diploma, it also forces people into getting their Masters, etc. and into more school, into more debt, and out of the work place for longer.
All of this.
My niece graduated with a Social Work degree (I know). Well, of course you can't get a Social Work job without a Masters degree. So, 8 years of high education just to get a job that might top out at $60K per year. It doesn't make sense.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:27 am to Breesus
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Private trade schools could he a huge money maker. I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. And I don't mean the shitty trade schools you see in commercials.
But a professionally run and professionally presented university that teaches Plumbing, electrical, hvac, welding, etc... alongside some basic business skills and critical thinking.
As I entertain your statement, my first thought was "Who are the teachers at these schools?". Would a private trade school recruit people in the trades industry, and what would comparable pay and benefits look like to persuade these potential teachers to leave their jobs (or private businesses)? And who determines/certifies who would be a good teacher in a professional trades University? Would the teachers need to earn a teaching degree from a college or university to develop an accreditation process for the school? This is not an attack on the idea, but rather just some of the questions that need answers for a viable outcome.
I say this as someone who went to college but really liked my HS auto shop classes. I just didn't see the risk/reward working in my favor to apply and commit myself to becoming a master mechanic for a high-performance or luxury auto manufacturer. I knew if I wanted to be have a chance of owning a successful auto business would require classes in business administration (which I did not want to do), and going to a auto tech school would require an expensive up-front cost for tools and books (which would have probably required loans to cover the cost). I was aware that high pay was a possibility, but opportunity was much lower compared to other opportunities with a college degree.
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