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re: What’s your opinion of paid maternity/paternity leave?

Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Universal paternity leave would be mandated


nobody that you have been arguing with for the past 10 pages has argued for this

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as it provides no benefit in the modern day.


strongly disagree
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:44 pm to
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The smartest and most successful businesses to ever exist disagree.



Its a post loyalty era. They'll figure it out soon enough.

For select workers it could be a good thing. Universally...lolol.

This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:45 pm to
My opinion is that jobs with these sorts of benefits will soon be phased out as companies seek to replace human labor with automation and AI. They will fill in the gaps with gig work, and nobody will get any kind of paid leave at all -- vacation, sick days, parental leave, or whatever.

Meanwhile, the costs of providing UBI or social welfare or whatever will become so high that it might break our financial and political systems. Pretty bleak, I guess, but you DID ask my opinion.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:45 pm to
Who do we think has a higher degree of business acumen?


Executives and founders that have built trillion dollar companies from the ground up, or rog?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:46 pm to
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My opinion is that jobs with these sorts of benefits will soon be phased out as companies seek to replace human labor with automation and AI.


Exactly.

Every single poster here is replaceable. Our value is what it cost to replace us.

AI plus increased cost of human labor will destroy the white collar job market.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39940 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:49 pm to
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Its a post loyalty era. They'll figure it out soon enough.



That's exactly why they have to offer it.

If you are good enough to work at that level of F-500, you can jump ship pretty easy to somewhere that offers better benefits.

It sounds like yall are jealous of skilled people who can leverage their worth.

This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:49 pm to
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They'll figure it out soon enough.


You should let elon, bezos, jensen et al know you have some ideas on how to better run their business.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:49 pm to
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capable of producing the same amount the company has one employee too many


or that person works longer hours, puts off tasks that they would have worked on, projects last longer, etc. It's not rocket science. Unless, it is rockets that person worked on.

This is a good way to get outsourced, fyi. If you have a department with just a couple people, and one of them being out creates a lot of pressure... you look for third parties to help. Then, you realize for the cost of a person you now have access to an entire company of resources with no risk of continuity being lost.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:51 pm to
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his is a good way to get outsourced,


The USA has priced itself out of the global markets already. Developing nations can produce what we do much more efficiently.

The intellectual capital is pretty much our only real advantage, We've lost the labor war.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:56 pm to
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The USA has priced itself out of the global markets already. Developing nations can produce what we do much more efficiently.

The intellectual capital is pretty much our only real advantage, We've lost the labor war.

This is definitely false
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:58 pm to
Most white collar technical skills are extremely overpriced right now and will likely crash in the coming decade.

Coding, investment analysis, most legal work, most communications work — just a few examples of white collar work that will crash.

I wont need 100 coders; I’ll need 5 good ones armed with AI.

I won’t need a team of lawyers; I need one good one who has great relationships in the thing I care about.

I won’t need a team of investment analysts with Ivy League degrees — I need a handful with good people skills and good instincts for taking calculated risks.

Careful not to mark your skills at market peak.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 1:04 pm
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:01 pm to
Big Techs major stock gains over the past nine months are part AI and part “efficiency.”

Transl: they fired people and the markets loved it.

Now, take the next obvious step and start to see the connections between AI and labor efficiency. Once you do that, you’re there. Cheers.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86079 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:01 pm to
Changes are definitely coming, but a lot of that is true now.

The country has spent decades building up layers of expertise and often unnecessary specialization leading to this point. Peeling those back will take consensus and time (if it ever happens at all)
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Most white collar skills technical skills are extremely overpriced right now and will likely crash in the coming decade.


What makes you say that? White collar firms are more profitable than ever in history.

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I wont need 100 coders; I’ll need 5 good ones armed with AI.


It will be a LONG time before any large company actually trusts AI to do any heavy lifting.

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I won’t need a team of lawyers; I need one good one who has great relationships in the thing I care about.



Lol, lmao even.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:04 pm to
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they fired people and the markets loved it.


The biggest gainers didn’t do layoffs.


One notable “big tech” player announced layoffs and their stock dropped 31% the next day.


Let’s also remember that part of the gutting of tech last week stemmed from microsoft admitting that the tens of billions they’ve already spent on AI development and implementation hasn’t produced any additional revenue so far.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 1:10 pm
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:06 pm to
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The USA has priced itself out of the global markets already. Developing nations can produce what we do much more efficiently.


I'm talking about things that can be done domestically.
Payroll, logistics, product design, web design, copy writing, IP law, etc etc.

Why have one staff attorney when for the same cost you can have access to a staff of attorneys?

I work with 3Ps on a number of things, it's never perfect but they are competing for YOUR business. We had someone resign this morning, today was their last day. Done. Everyone scrambling to figure out where things move until we can fill the slot.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:08 pm to
Big Tech is more profitable than ever because they fired a bunch of people in late 2022, then spent all the money they saved on massive AI data centers. They are literally building the infrastructure for a post-labor world.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:09 pm to
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It will be a LONG time before any large company actually trusts AI to do any heavy lifting.


You couldn't be more wrong. AI is already being rolled out for various applications. It will shorten the task of forecasting, supply chain stuff, copy writing, document review, etc etc ... it is happening now. Not sure what you consider heavy lifting, but if you reduce the time to create store level POs by 90%, that's a big deal and opens up a lot of human time to focus on other things. Easier to CHECK work than DO the work.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:11 pm to
Are you talking about Nvidia? They might be the only ones who didn’t do layoffs. Literally all the other Mag 7s did—and, get this, those are the companies who bought all of Nvidias chips.

They literally fired people then used the spare cash to buy Nvidia GPUs.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297142 posts
Posted on 8/12/24 at 1:12 pm to
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You couldn't be more wrong.


Indeed. Pollyana has her head in the sand.

The cuts have already started and will pinch every profession. Nothing will be untouched or unchanged.

The blue collar bloodbath came in the 70s, the next ten years you'll see the white collar bloodbath.
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