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Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:39 pm to iamAG
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I mean as a father the only thing you can do by that point is talk to him and hope he hears you right?
The father is the biggest reason he's in this mess. fricked up parents lead to fricked up kids, and then those fricked up kids have kids and the cycle goes on. I see it all the time, a nasty divorce and/or substance abuse problems by the parents just completely screws a kid up. That kid, in an effort to get out of the situation, hooks up with the first person they see that can remove them from the situation. The person sees the kid as a victim, and treats the kid accordingly. They produce another child, and the cycle is continued.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:39 pm to iamAG
I think his dad is part of the problem. He never held him accountable for anything. The way he lives is a reflection of that.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:51 pm to iamAG
Tough situation all around. I didn't know what Johnny was like before he absolutely exploded in college. I also don't know his parents and how they raised him and if they were good parents at all.
But I know what my dad would've done if I had a severe problem like that. He would've gone to the ends of the earth to try and help me out...up until a point.
I think there comes a time in every parent's life when the parent realizes the child just simply can't understand the ramifications of his actions. Either doesn't understand or doesn't care.
And at that point I think it would be in the parent's best interest to cut ties and take yourself out of the situation. That doesn't mean that you don't love the kid and don't want what's best for your child but clearly whatever you're doing isn't getting through to him and he'll have to figure it out on his own. Just my two cents.
Remember, nobody ever got straight that went into rehab without wanting to get sober themselves. They have to WANT to get straight and WANT to be sober. If they go to jail, rehab, substance abuse classes, aa meetings, etc. and don't WANT to get sober, then it's all for not.
Eta: I don't have any children, but I know what my father would've done in this situation and frankly, my dad is the best person I know. Maybe that wasn't Johnny's experience with his dad, and if that's true then I feel sorry for him and his dad played a huge role in Johnny screwing up like this.
But I know what my dad would've done if I had a severe problem like that. He would've gone to the ends of the earth to try and help me out...up until a point.
I think there comes a time in every parent's life when the parent realizes the child just simply can't understand the ramifications of his actions. Either doesn't understand or doesn't care.
And at that point I think it would be in the parent's best interest to cut ties and take yourself out of the situation. That doesn't mean that you don't love the kid and don't want what's best for your child but clearly whatever you're doing isn't getting through to him and he'll have to figure it out on his own. Just my two cents.
Remember, nobody ever got straight that went into rehab without wanting to get sober themselves. They have to WANT to get straight and WANT to be sober. If they go to jail, rehab, substance abuse classes, aa meetings, etc. and don't WANT to get sober, then it's all for not.
Eta: I don't have any children, but I know what my father would've done in this situation and frankly, my dad is the best person I know. Maybe that wasn't Johnny's experience with his dad, and if that's true then I feel sorry for him and his dad played a huge role in Johnny screwing up like this.
This post was edited on 6/25/16 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:51 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I really don't think Manziel was as awesome in college as you seem to think he was. Without that stud receiver (name escapes me, Evans?) to bail him out constantly, JFF isn't really all that great, imo.
The Browns, or more precisely Haslam, were freaking fools to draft Manziel late in the first. Manziel suckered Haslam with his texts during that first round, but in reality Manziel was panicking as teams passed him over.
I knew he wouldn't make it in the NFL.
But good luck to him. Hope he pulls out of it.
The Browns, or more precisely Haslam, were freaking fools to draft Manziel late in the first. Manziel suckered Haslam with his texts during that first round, but in reality Manziel was panicking as teams passed him over.
I knew he wouldn't make it in the NFL.
But good luck to him. Hope he pulls out of it.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:54 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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The really tragic thing about JFF is that he was just SO god damn good at college football but he's not built for the pro game and he will probably have to cope with being a mediocre bum like the rest of us for the rest of his life or kill himself with drugs. I mean it's just a human tragedy. No right answer.
He should have played baseball instead. He could be a middle infielder.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:55 pm to GoldenBoy
I'd be sick if I were his parents. He's not long for this world at his present pace.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:59 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Your dad probably thought he wouldn't raise a douche, but some things are just meant to be.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:12 pm to iamAG
Party with him & hook up with younger girls & pray for him.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:14 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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My kid would never turn out like that because I would raise him right.
Plenty of kids are raised by good parents but end up just like JFF. I have a friend that descended into being a junkie and it wasn't because of a lack of structured upbringing.
All JFF's folks can do at this point is wait until he hits rock bottom and hope he survives it so they can help him piece his life back together. But he's not going to do anything differently until he wants to.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:23 pm to Goldrush25
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Plenty of kids are raised by good parents but end up just like JFF.
That's true, but the Manziel's have been trashy going back a few generations. Interesting read LINK
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:29 pm to iamAG
quote:Late-term abortion.
What would you do if you had a child like Johnny Manziel?
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:30 pm to beHop
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All you want is for your children to be is healthy and level headed.a situation like JFF's is so fascinatingly scary for parents to be.
My wife and I were lucky to have access to a combo Steiner Montessori.
take the time to participate in the school.
same thing with music lessons. you learn too. Suzuki.
be there.
I have to figure that Manziel was able to figure out that he was getting away with it all when he was setting Texas high school records.
College was too late.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:36 pm to iamAG
What can you do honestly? He's not a child anymore, and he's clearly not listening to any advice or making any effort to clean up.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:36 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Grandfather still gives him an allowance
Posted on 6/25/16 at 11:45 pm to lsuwontonwrap
quote:if only life were that easy young one.....
My kid would never turn out like that because I would raise him right.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:05 am to iamAG
I can assure that every single poster here is, has, or will deal with addiction in some form or another. There's lots of people worth fighting for but Manziel's deal is that he seems like an entitled, shitty person. He can fix the addiction but he'll never fix the shitty...
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:22 am to Jcorye1
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Well, since I'll actually be involved in my kids life, I won't have to worry about that problem.
With that attitude, your perception of addiction could make you oblivious to it right under your own roof. Addiction happens to good families, good kids, good parents, for often even innocent reasons. If you want to be a good parent, understand that it could very well happen to you and ignorance is definitely not bliss...
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:27 am to iamAG
Tell him you are disappointed in him. That should eat him up inside if he has any respect for his parents.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:02 am to lynxcat
I agree (in a general case), but for that to be effective some of that has to be inherent in their existing relationship. It doesn't sound to me like the dad has ever been "disappointed" in JM, and the financial independence JM has had since draft (and probably at A&M) on his own, their relationship/dad's "power" had completely changed. JM needs to decide on his priorities on his own or nothing is going to stick at this point. Once the knowledge is there that everybody around you (in parental/advisory capacity, not friends) believe a certain way, there are only two options: listen and trust them, or disagree with them.
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