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re: What would have prevented the amount of Flood Disaster loss of life?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:25 pm to AGGIES
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:25 pm to AGGIES
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What would have prevented the amount of Flood Disaster loss of life?
quote:Every occupied building in a county needs a building permit and a certificate of occupancy before people can use the building.
Spell out a specific protocol.
The county needs to pull the CO (i.e. condemn) and reject permit applications for any structure that is inside a major flood zone.
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:33 pm to AGGIES
1. People know what a flood plane is.
2. People know that really bad floods that wipe out everything in the flood plane tend to happen every 100 years or so.
3. People build and do stuff within the flood plane despite knowing both of the above.
4. In 5-10 years, people will forget and start building in the flood plane again.
5. In 100 years or so, the same thing will happen.
6. Repeat the above.
2. People know that really bad floods that wipe out everything in the flood plane tend to happen every 100 years or so.
3. People build and do stuff within the flood plane despite knowing both of the above.
4. In 5-10 years, people will forget and start building in the flood plane again.
5. In 100 years or so, the same thing will happen.
6. Repeat the above.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:44 pm to real turf fan
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The second generation didn't happen.
So, they didn’t prepare. This is literally all that matters.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:45 pm to LegendInMyMind
I’m an Aggie, such things are expected. Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:46 pm to Masterag
Hell, we need a little humor. 
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:58 pm to NoMercy
In the 70's when I was a Boy Scout, we were camping at a Jamboree at a big park in Jackson, MS. Multiple tornadoes hit the area and we were all sent to the JFD facility during the middle of the night. It ended up being nothing, but it scared us all pretty good.
Thousands of kids in sleeping bags on a concrete floor. It reminded me of going to LSU Football games with my hs teammates, and sleeping on UHigh's gym floor.
Thousands of kids in sleeping bags on a concrete floor. It reminded me of going to LSU Football games with my hs teammates, and sleeping on UHigh's gym floor.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 10:03 pm to Masterag
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In 5-10 years, people will forget and start building in the flood plane again.
Would be stupid at this point, especially in the area that is considered a floodway.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 10:12 pm to chinese58
This is something that baffles me with this camp mystic. You know you are in charge of all of these precious lives. How are you not more cautious? I mean the camp has been around for like a 100 years. There should have been procedures and protocols in place when just the conditions of this threat come together in a forecast with all of these lives you are in charge of. Why are they not at least not using the cabins that are closer to the river for those few nights, or something out of caution, or some type of just weekend type partial evac? Were there supposed to be people dedicated to be up all night and watching the weather channels and listening to radio channels and having communications with fire departments and such with municipalities upstream to get an alert if levels were rising to start going wake children and move them even if it ended up being a small flood? Were there not trained personnel that could do this since we know a lot of counselors are teenagers and such helping out? There has to be something in place just as an organization in charge of so many children’s lives. These are not adults that their decisions of camping next to a river during a rainy weekend can say that risk is on you. Your organization is putting them there and you are responsible for their well being. The water is not instantly coming up to those levels at the camp no matter how fast it rose. It was was starting somewhere upstream and there could have been something in place that was not or someone failed their duty.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 7/11/25 at 10:17 pm to TexasTiger27
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If you don't live in this region, you would never understand. It hardly ever rains here. It was very hard for me to get use to no rain for 4 or 5 years, I am from Louisiana which gets plenty of rain. And when it rains that much so quickly, it just builds up quickly because of the rock foundation of soil, it does NOT soak in ,it just flows and builds momentum.
This is something that for me personally would only make me more just alert to be ready for the dangers when it finally rains. Now I have some interest in geology and such and great understanding of it. I had a professor once trying to talk me on being a geologist because of how well I took to his class but I was like nah I’m good. I’m in college to get a career to earn a living with career paths. Haha
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:48 am to Roll Tide Ravens
A warning at 1 AM?
Try again.
Weather Radio in rural Texas?
You already said why it didn’t work. Try again.
I live in Birmingham. My weather radio was so bad, it’s in the basement unplugged. When the sirens go off, I’ll check otherwise hold on to your butt.
James Spann autographed the radio for my wife. Big deal. I’ll listen to the sirens…could care less for his dancing across the studio.
Try again.
Weather Radio in rural Texas?
You already said why it didn’t work. Try again.
I live in Birmingham. My weather radio was so bad, it’s in the basement unplugged. When the sirens go off, I’ll check otherwise hold on to your butt.
James Spann autographed the radio for my wife. Big deal. I’ll listen to the sirens…could care less for his dancing across the studio.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:52 am to bluedragon
I haven’t read every post, but only 20 or so of the 100+ deaths were at the camp. Most of this thread focuses on the camp, for good reasons, but it’s not like it was an isolated incident.
The sad reality is the flood warnings were issued later at night and this happened from 4-6am. If it had happened at 4-6pm we likely have 20% or less of the deaths.
The camps are in the flood plain because they are summer camps based on water and that’s next to the swimming areas. I’m shocked they didn’t have anyone stay up, could have split it into shifts fairly easily with 900 campers that’s a lot of staff.
But the bigger issue is that 75% or more of the deaths and missing were normal folks at home living their life.
The sad reality is the flood warnings were issued later at night and this happened from 4-6am. If it had happened at 4-6pm we likely have 20% or less of the deaths.
The camps are in the flood plain because they are summer camps based on water and that’s next to the swimming areas. I’m shocked they didn’t have anyone stay up, could have split it into shifts fairly easily with 900 campers that’s a lot of staff.
But the bigger issue is that 75% or more of the deaths and missing were normal folks at home living their life.
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 11:53 am
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:54 am to baldona
When I lived in Hawaii we had tsunami sirens. I can tell you we didn’t pay much attention to them. Now if they went off continuously for 10 mins or 30 mins that’s probably a different story.
At some point there’s only so much you can do.
At some point there’s only so much you can do.
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:07 pm to NoMercy
“a geologist because of how well I took to his class but I was like nah I’m good. I’m in college to get a career to earn a living with career paths”
Interesting … I have a geology degree.. do you buy gas at places like shell.. bp etc
Our CEO had a geology degree.. we were a super major. Pretty sure he is worth hundreds of million..
Then there are the independents.. lots of them own private jets..
Sometimes it does not pay to be snarky.
Interesting … I have a geology degree.. do you buy gas at places like shell.. bp etc
Our CEO had a geology degree.. we were a super major. Pretty sure he is worth hundreds of million..
Then there are the independents.. lots of them own private jets..
Sometimes it does not pay to be snarky.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:10 pm to bluedragon
quote:
I live in Birmingham. My weather radio was so bad, it’s in the basement unplugged.
I'm in north Alabama......my weather radio works great. It is probably user error.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:21 pm to bluedragon
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Weather Radio in rural Texas?
Indeed! You should probably stop posting in this thread.
Here is the location of the NOAA radio tower that services the flood area.
The star is the location of Camp Mystic. The dot is Hunt, TX. It is 6.5 miles from Camp Mystic and 6.1 miles from Hunt.
It covers all of Kerr county and parts of surrounding counties.
Here is more info for that tower.
radiostation.info
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:22 pm to LegendInMyMind
At what point do we say,
What just happened never happened before. It was horrible. Now we know. There’s no way to be prepared for things that we don’t know are possible.
Ive been a part of disaster/active shooter type planning before with a large church.
You start with what you know. No organization, even the Fed gov, has the resources to sandbox, gameplan and then prepare for all for the things we know can happen even. So we prioritize those things. Things that have never happened before aren’t on the list.
Why does someone have to be at fault?
What just happened never happened before. It was horrible. Now we know. There’s no way to be prepared for things that we don’t know are possible.
Ive been a part of disaster/active shooter type planning before with a large church.
You start with what you know. No organization, even the Fed gov, has the resources to sandbox, gameplan and then prepare for all for the things we know can happen even. So we prioritize those things. Things that have never happened before aren’t on the list.
Why does someone have to be at fault?
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:29 pm to AGGIES
Warning sirens. Near the River bank. Solar powered. Built like a rain gage. Trip an alarm when the water level hit a given level. You could even staged sirens as the water rose
Posted on 7/12/25 at 12:32 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
At what point do we say,
What just happened never happened before. It was horrible. Now we know. There’s no way to be prepared for things that we don’t know are possible.
You can do that to an extent, but at a certain point that way of thinking undermines the good work done by many to provide warning and the warning systems in place. Trying to understand why so many people were caught off guard will hopefully lead to better outcomes in the future. Just washing your hands of it and chalking it all up to "fate" is taking the easy way out.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:03 pm to AGGIES
It was the overnight hours before the start of the 4th of July weekend.
We’ve seen lack of action due to holidays before.
I wonder, had it been a regular weekday, if there would have been someone watching the river.
We’ve seen lack of action due to holidays before.
I wonder, had it been a regular weekday, if there would have been someone watching the river.
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