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Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:03 am to Nado Jenkins83
Fill up the job vacancies.
A key manager responsible for issuing warnings and coordinating with local emergency management officials had recently retired and that job was left vacant.
A key manager responsible for issuing warnings and coordinating with local emergency management officials had recently retired and that job was left vacant.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:06 am to TutHillTiger
Agreed. I will say one life saved is worth it though.
When children die, people want a pound of flesh. I get it. They are looking to place blame.
Tragedies are inevitable and it sucks.
When children die, people want a pound of flesh. I get it. They are looking to place blame.
Tragedies are inevitable and it sucks.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:11 am to AGGIES
Life jackets should be standard issue for riverside/creekside camps, hanging next to the bed.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:16 am to AGGIES
No fire watch at the camps. In any group like that, someone should be on alert at all times. It wouldn’t have taken long to move those kids up the hill.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:19 am to AGGIES
Serious question, how many women were involved in managing the camp?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:23 am to AGGIES
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:26 am to AGGIES
Unless I’m missing something, I think this was human error caused by a lack of urgency. As I said, I haven’t paid much attention to the actions before the flooding but I have seen multiple sources report each individual warning that was released by the NWS and it does appear they had a good bit of warning. I think the fact that the warnings began while people slept is what led to everyone being caught off guard.
Again, maybe I’m missing something and I couldn’t be more wrong. I do know that dragging politics into it is spitting in the face of the parents of all those dead children. Shame on those doing that.
Again, maybe I’m missing something and I couldn’t be more wrong. I do know that dragging politics into it is spitting in the face of the parents of all those dead children. Shame on those doing that.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:30 am to AGGIES
1. Better restrictions on what they build in the floodplains
2. Active warning system
2. Active warning system
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:34 am to AGGIES
Flash flooding generally leaves little time to evacuate
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:38 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I have and I spelled it out to my state representative and state senator. a. Stacked water level monitors in slotted steel sleeves attached permanently to the lee side of bridge pilings. b. Electric connection to computer monitoring of the amount and location of water rise. c. A "tornado siren" warning system connected to monitor system. d. A regular program of siren testing. First Monday over every month at noon. d+ Instruct all campers what siren means and where to egress to higher ground. e. State purchase the property of Camp Mystic for the purpose of a robust memorial to honor each and every victim of the flood. It is to last 1000 years. f. Consider zoning that won't allow masses of people camping right by the river. That is if people don't accept the sirens. g. Have one or two point person who understand what the sirens mean and can get up clear headed at 2:00AM to instruct emergency personnel. Have either the University of Texas and/or Texas A&M civil engineering department along with hydrologists model the July 4 flood and model future cases to understand the development of the flood. I can think of other things. But early recognition of water rise is imperative and AI monitoring could recognize this. There are likely class 1, 2 and 3 floods.
Hard to argue against much of this. The biggest thing in my opinion is having an ordinance that prohibits mass camping of any kind within a set amount of yards from any river/creek/bayou. Not sure why something like that wasn’t already a law. It should be now, across every state in the country after this.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:40 am to AGGIES
Big camps should have sirens and evacuation plans, counselor training. Not really plausible to put sirens over the stretch of an entire river system. Education more than anything goes a long way. Signs would help in other camping areas.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:43 am to TDsngumbo
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set amount of yards from any river/creek/bayou.
It's not that simple. Every river in Texas is not as flashy as the Guadalupe. Texas has invested in a lot of modeling, but that's a big state to model. However, those models can tell you which areas are higher risk to these flashier events, so you would know the general risk profile, depth AND velocity.
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:43 am to AGGIES
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AGGIES
A libtard troll who fantasizes about chopping his sons cock off and illegals raping his daughter, why anyone responds to these retards is a head scratcher.
Obviously OP has zero understanding of what actually happened before, during, or after the flood. This thread is not going to suddenly enlighten him.
Loser.
Edit: OP, a good place to start would be to go to TexAgs and read the 90 page thread on the Outdoor Board, then come back and ask your stupid fricking questions.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 7:46 am
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:52 am to AGGIES
The only thing that would "prevent" the loss of life would be to not allow people to be there at all and criminally remove anyone who is. But that is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:54 am to Bard
Oh I get the flooding scenarios were kind of apples to oranges. But my implication was that the 2016 event in BR was much more of a rare event than what has just occurred in the Guadalupe River as you can look at by records. 2016 was something not seen but handled by the populance due to not being overly ignorant and living in communication caves. Especially for a state like LA. People knew all that water in BR had to work its way to lake maurepaus and you saw people act accordingly in Ascension, Livingston, st James and even St. John. I can’t help but think just knowing how many people have moved from out of state since the 80s to this water shed at probably had no idea how a single 6-10 inch rain drop up stream when they are only seeing 2 inches could affect them because they just never had historical knowledge and let’s face it people are not living plugged into media warnings. You just had to know the possible threat of as there from a general forecast statewide and had to be ready to receive alerts in the wee hours. I probably wouldn’t have been asleep like many hurricanes. Now did the state fail with alert systems? That is to be investigated
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:06 am to LegendInMyMind
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That isn't the reality of the situation. Whether you like it or not, those questions will be asked and will have to be answered.
can we have a show of hands for everyone that has a 200 year storm plan?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:06 am to LegendInMyMind
What warning? BS
This has a west problem for ages. Estes Park 1976 144 dead
Two Park rangers lost their lives.
Whenever we camped anywhere, we look to stay out of dry river beds.
There are no horns. Radios are a waste.
What warnings?
This has a west problem for ages. Estes Park 1976 144 dead
Two Park rangers lost their lives.
Whenever we camped anywhere, we look to stay out of dry river beds.
There are no horns. Radios are a waste.
What warnings?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:06 am to jcaz
Oh I agree. Our soils and flat terrain stop these days things. We see hurricanes coming. We really do not get the monster tornadoes. But LA is not known for its rocket scientists in the general population and political leadership either which can also be burden. You expect holiday campers at a riverside to maybe have their heads up their own butts in such forecasted statewide rain event but an institution in charge of so many lives seems have a failure in protocol. There should have been heed taken in the forecast of the entire watershed knowing this risks was high with the actually relative common occurrence of such events over the last 150 years. In Louisiana they don’t even want to have school now days if a weather system is coming through. Why were these kids not removed from this camp for this weekend knowing the increased odds of this type of event? They have even had worse floods? Feels like a system failure there.
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