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re: What We Die From vs What People Are Scared Of Dying From & What Is Reported
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:37 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:37 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
So glad to see this getting use
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:37 pm to Steadyhands
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This is true, but feeding and growing all the hype over homicide and terrorism....is more damaging than the actual acts themselves. Look at all the riots and commotion we've had in this country over something that essentially doesn't exist.
Ok, but you're talking about a sliver of all homicide coverage, aren't you? Or a fraction of all terrorism coverage?
Because the huge majority of homicide and terrorism coverage just garner readership, not riots. Meaning, your complaint is with "coverage" of police homicide/white on black homicide or white supremacy terrorism coverage, yes?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:49 pm to Pettifogger
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Ok, but you're talking about a sliver of all homicide coverage, aren't you? Or a fraction of all terrorism coverage?
Because the huge majority of homicide and terrorism coverage just garner readership, not riots. Meaning, your complaint is with "coverage" of police homicide/white on black homicide or white supremacy terrorism coverage, yes?
Yes. That sliver is a sliver in the actual homicide and terrorist deaths. However, in media reports,
quote:is 99% of the homicide/terrorism reported on. It's highly deceptive to unintelligent population, and it's what has caused things like BLM, Antifa, etc.
"coverage" of police homicide/white on black homicide or white supremacy terrorism
Well, it's what's caused them to grow, maybe not create. Without the media coverage though, those groups would have went no where and remained tiny as they should have.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:54 pm to Steadyhands
I suspect we share a lot of overall beliefs but I don't think you're right on terrorism. In the absence of significant Muslim terrorism I do think the media laughably plays up white supremacy.
But real terrorism events of significance will still get HUGE play in this country because it drives up viewership in huge #s.
But real terrorism events of significance will still get HUGE play in this country because it drives up viewership in huge #s.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:04 pm to Pettifogger
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suspect we share a lot of overall beliefs but I don't think you're right on terrorism. In the absence of significant Muslim terrorism I do think the media laughably plays up white supremacy.
But real terrorism events of significance will still get HUGE play in this country because it drives up viewership in huge #s.
I agree with this. Most terrorism in the world doesn't occur in the US, as shown by the graph, and media doesn't lead anyone to think that it does. That part of the graph is sort of inaccurate because it's not necessarily related to coverage on events in just our country. Most terrorism coverage is of other countries because it barely exists here. The homicide coverage is predominantly from here and of the rarest of all actual homicide occurences.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:26 pm to Pettifogger
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But real terrorism events of significance will still get HUGE play in this country because it drives up viewership in huge #s.
is that maybe because it's rare and noteworthy?
and what exactly does "plays up" mean? the news reports on white supremacist extremism because it's a thing. it's real and does play a role in homicides. it's more amorphous than say radical islam because white supremacists aren't as commonly forming into cohesive groups with a goal of committing terrorist acts, but that doesn't make it any less of a thing. it's no different than any other terrorism in terms of newsworthiness. a neo nazi shooting up a black church is just more noteworthy on a national level than two guys shooting at each other over drugs or something.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:38 pm to lsujro
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is that maybe because it's rare and noteworthy?
and what exactly does "plays up" mean? the news reports on white supremacist extremism because it's a thing. it's real and does play a role in homicides. it's more amorphous than say radical islam because white supremacists aren't as commonly forming into cohesive groups with a goal of committing terrorist acts, but that doesn't make it any less of a thing. it's no different than any other terrorism in terms of newsworthiness. a neo nazi shooting up a black church is just more noteworthy on a national level than two guys shooting at each other over drugs or something.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. First, I'm responding to someone who seemed to indicate Islamic terrorism didn't get coverage. I doubt you disagree with my position that media does, in fact, provide ample coverage to most major Islamic acts of terrorism.
Second, national news "plays up" white supremacy. There isn't a concerted, large white supremacist movement. That's unchanged by your reference to its amorphous nature (something I agree with BTW). However, white supremacy plays a negligible role in homicide in America.
I would stake out the position that "minor" incidents of terrorism will get more coverage if they're allegedly white supremacist in nature vs. Islamic terror in nature. If, for example, there was a white supremacy camp involving kidnapping, murder and slavery, it would likely get waaaaaayyyy more coverage than the Islamic terror camp in New Mexico with the same features that the media provided light coverage of.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:42 pm to Pettifogger
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In the absence of significant Muslim terrorism I do think the media laughably plays up white supremacy.
It did seem like all the white supremacy reports just all of a sudden popped up, but I just looked up the numbers.
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The Southern Poverty Law Center reports a dramatic increase in the number of white nationalist groups in the U.S., from 100 chapters in 2017 to 148 in 2018.
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The Anti-Defamation League reports a 182 percent increase in incidents of the distribution of white supremacist propaganda, and an increase in the number of rallies and demonstrations by white supremacy groups, from 76 in 2017 to 91 in 2018.
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A study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies found the number of terrorist attacks by far-right perpetrators quadrupled in the U.S. between 2016 and 2017, and that far-right attacks in Europe rose 43 percent over the same period. Among those incidents, CSIS states, the rise of attacks by white supremacists and anti-government extremists is “of particular concer
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While I am not the one to blame TV, movies, video games, etc on violence, I wonder if the media suddenly shifting their attention on it has played a factor in the increasing numbers.. Or did they start reporting on it after the numbers went up?
Either way, there have been crimes committed by these groups that was never in the news, but all of a sudden they are.. Which like you said, the absence of significant Muslim terrorism, is likely the media started reporting on white supremacy crimes.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:56 pm to OweO
Weird. Someone just started a similar thread
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:02 pm to OweO
Honestly, I have little doubt that some racist orgs feel emboldened by the nationalism of the Trump era. Nationalism doesn't necessarily lead to racism or anyplace else bad, but it can, and no doubt some elements feel it contributes to their cause. But a handful of rednecks creating a group or an existing group creating more leaflets are pretty weak indicators of some surge or rising tide of white supremacy.
I also doubt the legitimacy at least some of the evidence, particularly SPLC, which has a long history of classifying disagreeable entities as hate groups. I can't remember what org it was, but someone vetted the claims of white supremacist murders/homicides from a couple of years ago, and like 75% were either just random trashy violence (not terror) or white supremacist on white supremacist violence or other incidents that probably had no political/social agenda behind them. Yet in the media it was something like "White supremacist violence on the rise" or similar.
I also doubt the legitimacy at least some of the evidence, particularly SPLC, which has a long history of classifying disagreeable entities as hate groups. I can't remember what org it was, but someone vetted the claims of white supremacist murders/homicides from a couple of years ago, and like 75% were either just random trashy violence (not terror) or white supremacist on white supremacist violence or other incidents that probably had no political/social agenda behind them. Yet in the media it was something like "White supremacist violence on the rise" or similar.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:40 pm to Pettifogger
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And I bet the 25% that were considered have a political/social agenda behind them, there is a certain percentage in which things started out with a political agenda, but escalated into something else.
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nd like 75% were either just random trashy violence (not terror) or white supremacist on white supremacist violence or other incidents that probably had no political/social agenda behind them.
And I bet the 25% that were considered have a political/social agenda behind them, there is a certain percentage in which things started out with a political agenda, but escalated into something else.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:51 pm to OweO
Heart disease has become so common I think it is considered normal. Almost every man at my church over 50 has stents,bypass,pacemaker,some of the women also.People freak out about cancer but heart disease kills more people.
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