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re: What was Hitler’s worst blunder?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:41 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:41 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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There are a lot of them, the overall main one being opening a two-front war.
One more specific one was attacking Stalingrad. The city had no strategic value, just the Stalin name. He gets a huge portion of his army trapped there and it becomes the rallying cry for the Soviet Union and the turning point of the war on the Eastern Front.
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Fighting a war on two fronts was antithetical to German strategic doctrine. Hitler justified it by saying that while Britain was not beaten, it was not a threat, as long as the war in the east was over quickly.
Orginally, the objective for the German 6th Army was to only advance to the Volga River, but not to seize the city.
And then later, there was a time when the Germans could have mostly gotten out of the trap at Stalingrad, had Hitler allowed his commanders to order a strategic withdrawal. Hitler's blunder at Stalingrad cost the Germans about 250,000 men and vast quantities of equipment.
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:46 pm to TigersFan64
All of this goes back to Hitler taking complete control and making himself CIC.
That decision led to all these other horrible decisions.
That decision led to all these other horrible decisions.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 1:05 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
I found this link to a lecture by a British historian talking about Hitler's strategic mistakes. It's pretty interesting.
German Strategic Mistakes during WWII
At about 20:00 of the video, he talks about a horrific account of an Italian journalist writing about seeing German wounded being unloaded from a train in Warsaw, Poland. It was in the winter and to his horror, the Italian realized that a lot of these poor wounded guys had no eyelids left. The sub-zero temperatures in Russia had caused their eyelids to freeze and drop off. He also mentions that the brutal cold also caused some cases of soldiers' genitalia freezing and snapping off.
German Strategic Mistakes during WWII
At about 20:00 of the video, he talks about a horrific account of an Italian journalist writing about seeing German wounded being unloaded from a train in Warsaw, Poland. It was in the winter and to his horror, the Italian realized that a lot of these poor wounded guys had no eyelids left. The sub-zero temperatures in Russia had caused their eyelids to freeze and drop off. He also mentions that the brutal cold also caused some cases of soldiers' genitalia freezing and snapping off.
This post was edited on 3/9/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/9/19 at 1:11 pm to doubleb
Yes, Hitler fancied himself a military genius. In fact, he was very incompetent. Imho, had Hitler not inferfered with the German professional commanders in the east, the war would have lasted for at least another six months to a full year on that front.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 1:13 pm to TigersFan64
Many years ago I was dating a gal who was taking some history class in college.... when they got to WW2 she had gotten permission from her professor to have me come out and listen (as long as I didn't disrupt the class)..... I decided not to and to this day I still kick myself.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 1:19 pm to dupergreenie
I just love listening to lectures about history, and military history in particular. If I went back to college, I think I would try to get a degree in history.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 2:29 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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besides going full retard and invading the Soviet Union.
The USSR was going to attack Germany Hitler and had no choice. The mistake was Mussolini getting bogged down in Greece and then having to waste 6 weeks to bail him out. If Germany had struck 6 weeks sooner they probably have been able to capture Moscow, Leningrad and Rostov, destroying the USSR rail net and cutting off the USSR from Arctic and Black sea resupply. Stalin would have not survived.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 2:44 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Being a sociopath
Posted on 3/9/19 at 2:45 pm to Kcrad
Not if he were in college smartass.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 2:47 pm to ecb
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Being a sociopath
I don’t think Hitler was a sociopath. He was a psychopath. Heydrich and Himmler were sociopaths.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 2:50 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
First page down, and no "That whole belief in the master race and genocide thing."
Posted on 3/9/19 at 2:53 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Over extending his logistic lines.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 3:10 pm to TigersFan64
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The driver of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife took a wrong turn in Sarejevo that led their motor car into the path of the assassin, Gavrilo Princip on that fateful day of June 28, 1914. Had the driver not taken a wrong turn that day, WWI and WWII may never have happened (since WWI directly led to WWII).
This post was edited on 3/9 at 12:25 pm
I saw a movie from point of view of police detective.
Sarajevo 2014.
Maybe more than one assassin, more than one place, along more than one route. Not a lone gunman.
Germans into rail route. Stock prices.
This post was edited on 3/9/19 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 3/9/19 at 3:17 pm to CelticDog
He was at point blank range. Princip certainly killed him.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 4:15 pm to Napoleon
I don't think there were college deferments in Germany or Austria at the time.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 5:31 pm to OMLandshark
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He was at point blank range. Princip certainly killed him.
I think he means there were other assassins waiting if Princip didn't get him.
This post was edited on 3/9/19 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 3/9/19 at 5:42 pm to SM6
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Probably not the biggest, but surely impactful was his decision not to go all-in on jet propulsion in 1938/1939. Similar to the strategic bomber, Goering told him that the Me109 was more than up to the challenge. More plentiful jets would have given him a much better advantage in the Battle of Britain (understanding that they wouldn't have something as capable as the Me262), but if he had been able to establish air superiority he would have been able to stage an amphibious landing on British soil. Hell there were elements in the Irish community that would have risen upo and taken the fight to Belfast had the Nazis made a foothold in England. A close second is not throwing all of their resources into the V rocket program at Pennemunde until it was too late to make a difference.
I'm not sure they had the scientific or industrial capacity to realistically build an atomic weapon once the Allies established air superiority. Basically, not gaining air superiority over the Allies was a huge, huge blunder.
It does make one wonder how much history would have changed had Hitler more aggressively courted the Irish and the Mexicans.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:40 pm to dupergreenie
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Many years ago I was dating a gal who was taking some history class in college.... when they got to WW2 she had gotten permission from her professor to have me come out and listen (as long as I didn't disrupt the class)..... I decided not to and to this day I still kick myself.
My major was Russian History...I couldn’t wait for the nest class. Dissertation was on Rasputin.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:54 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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First page down, and no "That whole belief in the master race and genocide thing."
That was a moral failing, not a strategic blunder. Stalin perpetrated the Holodomor but still came out on the winning side.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:11 pm to Kcrad
You'd be wrong.
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