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re: What was Axis end goal in WWII?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 2:28 pm to Boo Krewe
Posted on 11/8/19 at 2:28 pm to Boo Krewe
Don't know if true or not, but i had a history teacher tell us Hitler was pissed when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because he knew it would draw the US into the war and he knew he wasn't prepared for us.
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Posted on 11/8/19 at 2:37 pm to Ryan3232
The common belief was democracies didn't have the lasting power for war.
I've never understood that as the United States had been in constant war. The UK and France gave it all in WWI.
So Japan's whole motive was to get the US to sue for peace which would mean fueling the Japanese war machine.
The then spent the rest of the war trying to bring out the Decisive Battle.
Basically they were still trying to fight in WWII a Napoleonic era and previous war.
I've never understood that as the United States had been in constant war. The UK and France gave it all in WWI.
So Japan's whole motive was to get the US to sue for peace which would mean fueling the Japanese war machine.
The then spent the rest of the war trying to bring out the Decisive Battle.
Basically they were still trying to fight in WWII a Napoleonic era and previous war.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 2:45 pm to Ryan3232
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Idk but Japan totally fricked up by bombing Pearl Harbor. I just dont see how they thought that would cripple us to the point of not being able to get them back. Also, they didnt bomb any of our aircraft carriers.
Japan thought we were inevitably going to enter the war and wanted to hit us before it happened in hopes of drawing us in when we were less prepared, as well as trying to strike at our closest major base of operations.
I'm not sure it was the right call, but it wasn't illogical. We were absolutely going to be in sooner or later and were gearing up industrial production.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 2:45 pm to ZappBrannigan
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I've never understood that as the United States had been in constant war.
What?
Our army leading up to WW2 was tiny. Ranked like 15th in the world or something.
Even people in the US said the populace would likely tire of war within a few years which was pretty accurate.
Japan made a mistake with the surprise attack as that inflamed passions in a country that up to that point was decidedly isolationist. If they had just taken the Philippines and the East Indies it's not likely Congress would have voted for war.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 3:53 pm to BuckyCheese
Where was turkey in all of this ? Don't they still have imperial ambition
Posted on 11/8/19 at 3:59 pm to Rep520
Japan knew they had to act quickly. The navy that eventually defeated them was authorized and under construction in 1941. Essex class carriers, Iowa class and the other 16 in. gun battleships and many other classes of ships.
the US had started a draft and was producing many quality combat aircraft. By 1943 the Japanese cause was hopeless.
Yamamoto is reported to have said he would run wild for a year, after that he could make no promises. Japan hoped the US would not have the stomach for a long fight to take away their Pacific empire. Everything they did starting in 1943 was only to make the war so long and costly that the US would agree to some kind of peace leaving Japan intact with some or most of their conquests.
the US had started a draft and was producing many quality combat aircraft. By 1943 the Japanese cause was hopeless.
Yamamoto is reported to have said he would run wild for a year, after that he could make no promises. Japan hoped the US would not have the stomach for a long fight to take away their Pacific empire. Everything they did starting in 1943 was only to make the war so long and costly that the US would agree to some kind of peace leaving Japan intact with some or most of their conquests.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 4:08 pm to gumbo2176
Hitler was routinely taking a ridiculous amount of psychoactive medications. He wasnt wasnt full-blown psychotic, but he was rarely in a stable state of mind.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 4:27 pm to dietcoke7
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Japan hoped the US would not have the stomach for a long fight to take away their Pacific empire.
In a lot of ways, WWII has parallels to the Civil War. One side was outgunned in a sustained, resource driven war.
So, they either had to win in one big burst up front or make the rest of the war so taxing that the enemy settled things instead of the sustained fight.
The US's raw capacity for industrial production and manpower was our greatest achievement in WWII. That's why I said I get the logic behind Pearl Harbor for the Japanese, but am not sure it was a good call. It was also the incident that pushed the US into being ready to fully commit to war, whatever course it took.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 4:35 pm to REB BEER
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Don't know if true or not, but i had a history teacher tell us Hitler was pissed when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because he knew it would draw the US into the war and he knew he wasn't prepared for us.
Germany had a treaty with Japan but wasnt obligated to declare war on the United States under the circumstances. Hitler doing so was another of his irrational decisions and relieved FDR of the necessity of some fancy political maneuvering to get us involved in Europe.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 4:44 pm to Rep520
I am not one of the nutjobs that claim FDR knew Pearl Harbor was coming and did nothing in order to get us in the war.
I do believe that FDR believed that we would eventually have to get in the war in case Britian/Soviet Union fell and we stood alone. Think the Japanese knew this and gambled that we would settle in the Pacific so we could concentrate on Germany.
I do believe that FDR believed that we would eventually have to get in the war in case Britian/Soviet Union fell and we stood alone. Think the Japanese knew this and gambled that we would settle in the Pacific so we could concentrate on Germany.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 4:55 pm to Boo Krewe
They each has their own goal.
Germany: Avenge their loss in WWI and gain "Living Space" in the east.
Italy: Carve out a new Roman Empire in the Mediterranean.
Japan: Become the Supreme Power in Asia and colonize those areas in Asia that contained the natural resources they need.
Bulgaria, Hungary, & Romania: Suck up to Hitler so instead of swallowing them into the Greater German Reich, he'd throw them a bone when he carved up Eastern Europe.
Germany: Avenge their loss in WWI and gain "Living Space" in the east.
Italy: Carve out a new Roman Empire in the Mediterranean.
Japan: Become the Supreme Power in Asia and colonize those areas in Asia that contained the natural resources they need.
Bulgaria, Hungary, & Romania: Suck up to Hitler so instead of swallowing them into the Greater German Reich, he'd throw them a bone when he carved up Eastern Europe.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 11:22 pm to KiwiHead
Rommel would have taken Cairo and sped up through the Middle East unopposed if he had been given the fuel he requested before Montgomery took over the British 8th Army.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:09 am to Boo Krewe
The Germans were 100x creepier than you think, and the aims were even worst.
Google this shite:
Nazis and
Thule Society
The Vril
SS and the black sun theory
Nazi base in the South Pole
The Nazi bell
Blitzkrieg and crystal meth
You can’t make this shite up.
Google this shite:
Nazis and
Thule Society
The Vril
SS and the black sun theory
Nazi base in the South Pole
The Nazi bell
Blitzkrieg and crystal meth
You can’t make this shite up.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:21 am to CitizenK
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Rommel would have taken Cairo and sped up through the Middle East unopposed if he had been given the fuel he requested before Montgomery took over the British 8th Army.
This cannot be overstated. Loss of Egypt closes the Suez Canal. It means India falls to Japan or an independence movement allied with Japan. It closes the overland supply route to Russia through Iran. It pressures Turkey to join the Axis. It keeps Italy in the war.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 5:36 am to Jim Rockford
Especially considering how many manufacturing facilities were made in the U.S. and shipped knocked down to Russia for its war effort, especially refining.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:31 am to playmakers in space
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Was Napoleon certifiably crazy?
Probably - I get the impression the stress of the situation caused him to get worse over time (which was certainly true of Hitler as well).
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Was Genghis Khan?
In the context of the time and his society? No.
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Caesar? Alexander?
No.
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"Great" men are rarely good men.
You're dancing with the devil here.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 11:57 am to Boo Krewe
It should be common knowledge by now that Hitler did not expect Britain and France to declare war in response to the invasion of Poland in 1939. As such, the commencement of such a large war took Hitler by surprise.
In response, Hitler improvised from one military solution to the next and he never really changed his natural inclination to act by reaction and improvisation.
In response, Hitler improvised from one military solution to the next and he never really changed his natural inclination to act by reaction and improvisation.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:06 pm to Champagne
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It should be common knowledge by now that Hitler did not expect Britain and France to declare war in response to the invasion of Poland in 1939. As such, the commencement of such a large war took Hitler by surprise.
In response, Hitler improvised from one military solution to the next and he never really changed his natural inclination to act by reaction and improvisation.
Great response. The second part is the assumption by the Germans that either Russia was just about to launch an attack or would ultimately, and a preemptive war made more sense.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:54 pm to OleWar
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Great response. The second part is the assumption by the Germans that either Russia was just about to launch an attack or would ultimately, and a preemptive war made more sense.
The Finns embarrassed the Soviets during the Winter War of 1939-1940. Hitler noticed.
In late 1940, it was clear that Germany could not force the UK into making peace. Only then did Hitler order the planning to begin for Operation Barbarossa. Barbarossa was Hitler's improvised reaction when the UK unexpectedly would not make peace.
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