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re: What to do for high cholesterol?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:37 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:37 pm to Hammertime
Track Your Plaque - very informative site
LINK edit: site seems unattended
LINK edit: site seems unattended
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:17 pm
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:37 pm to Capital Cajun
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Well, if you don't remember not eating or drinking anything but water for 8 to 10 hours prior to the blood draw then I suggest you schedule another cholesterol screening and make 100% sure you fast prior to.
This. And I would assume his doctor is already aware of the meds he is on and wouldn't be suggesting meds that would interact with those meds or further cause damage to his liver.
OP...you either trust your doctor or you don't.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:44 pm to Hammertime
Lovaza (prescription fish oil) crushed my cholesterol
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:01 pm to Hammertime
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I already take 8 pills a day for seizures and Adderall
And you don't want to take a statin? What's one more little pill?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:06 pm to Hammertime
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Like I said earlier dude, I am already taking 9-10 pills a day. 8 of them being pills that are probably detrimental to my liver in the long run. Plus, I drank heavily from maybe 17-25
Quit listening to all of the ignorant people in here saying "take the pills dude!". Find a new cardiologist as well, one that is young and decides to not follow the lipid hypothesis. Your cholesterol levels are almost irrelevant when considering if your a risk for heart disease. Combine that with the risk/reward of taking statin drugs and you are doing more harm than good. Cholesterol is not the answer, and it isnt even the right question. The right question is "how do I become less of a risk for a heart attack?". Reduce artery imflammation is the way to do that, and the way to do that is to drastically reduce your starch/sugar intake, among other things.
Alot of ignorant and incredibly biased doctors 60 years ago ATTEMPTED to link cholesterol to heart disease. They failed miserably but our ignorant government pushed and pushed for the fight on cholesterol. Why? Because they had the magic fruit to sell....AGRICULTURE!
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:07 pm to tigersbh
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Red Yeast Rice helps with that. If you Google it you'll find lots of people singing its praises.
Jesus fricking christ
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:10 pm to dnm3305
Artery inflammation is not present in at least 50% of cases. The bottom line is you really cant go "dont take the statins" when someone's life is on the line. I had no artery inflammation at all, and still do not.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:16 pm to dnm3305
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dnm3305
Usually conspiracy theories are all well and good but spewing your ignorance is going to hurt someone. It's like anti vaccine ppl. Statins decrease inflammatory response. It's been proven time and time again statins= good. Decrease risk of heart attack stroke etc. regardless of ldl number.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:17 pm to jeffsdad
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The bottom line is you really cant go "dont take the statins" when someone's life is on the line. I had no artery inflammation at all, and still do not.
How is blood cholesterol relevant? Taking a statin drug will lower his cholesterol. That's a fact, but its not relevant. That's not the point and that's not the argument. The real question is, why does he need to lower his cholesterol? It has been shown time and time again that cholesterol is not the enemy.
Here
High Crime vs Cholesterol analogy in "Fathead" -
-In high crime areas, there are more calls to the police.
-Calling the police equates to more crime.
-To lower the crime rate, stop calling the police.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:19 pm to Adam Banks
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Statins decrease inflammatory response. It's been proven time and time again statins= good. Decrease risk of heart attack stroke etc. regardless of ldl number.
You dont need a god damned pill to decrease artery inflammation. How hard is that to understand?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:20 pm to Hammertime
Framingham heart attack risk calculator
Note this is a NIH website, not exactly a quack organization
LINK
Too many people assume that if a particular medical parameter should be a value such as 150 and theirs is 250 they are going to die, in reality it is just one of many risk factors that interact. The Framingham heart study has been ongoing since 1948 and looks at the long term effects of things like blood pressure, smoking, cholesterol, on your risk of heart disease. From this study a calculator was developed to estimate you risk of having a heart attack in the next 10 years. By plugging in your numbers you can see what your risk is, then see what decrease in risk you would get by having your numbers at a more ideal value.
Note this is a NIH website, not exactly a quack organization
LINK
Too many people assume that if a particular medical parameter should be a value such as 150 and theirs is 250 they are going to die, in reality it is just one of many risk factors that interact. The Framingham heart study has been ongoing since 1948 and looks at the long term effects of things like blood pressure, smoking, cholesterol, on your risk of heart disease. From this study a calculator was developed to estimate you risk of having a heart attack in the next 10 years. By plugging in your numbers you can see what your risk is, then see what decrease in risk you would get by having your numbers at a more ideal value.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:22 pm to dnm3305
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You dont need a god damned pill to decrease artery inflammation. How hard is that to understand?
Show me well done studies and how that applies to the general population particularly the population at hand (majority southern males likely with family hx) and I'm all ears.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:30 pm to Adam Banks
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It's been proven time and time again statins= good.
From a 5 year sample size studydone by Dr. David Newman
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The harms of statins are less publicized than benefits, but are well documented. A recent narrative review of statin myopathy suggests that 10% is a relatively conservative estimate for this side effect,1 which may be a primary contributor to high rates of drug discontinuation.
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Our sense, based on factors noted above, is that the benefits of these drugs are likely exaggerated partly by an unconscious 'hope bias' on the part of readers and authors. This is common in the early literature on therapeutic innovations, and is often attenuated as further literature emerges. In addition, post-marketing surveillance data is in its early stages with this class of drugs and preliminary reports suggest that cognitive decline, tendonopathies, and other side effects may emerge in future literature. Finally, the source of the great majority of these data is industry, which has a spotty history of integrity in trial data reporting, suggesting these data to be a best-case scenario.
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1 in 100 were harmed (develop diabetes*)
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1 in 10 were harmed (muscle damage)
It has also been linked to liver damage, but youre going to lecture me about spewing ignorance when someone life depends on it when the OP has already said he's on 9-10 dif types of medication that are surely taxing on his liver as it is>
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:55 pm to EA6B
I just winged the HDL levels (IIRC he said something was 90), but it said I only have a 6% chance of having a heart attack in 10 years
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:56 pm to Hammertime
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What to do for high cholesterol?
Go to the doctor. Get a prescription. Take pills. Party.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:58 pm to Adam Banks
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Show me well done studies and how that applies to the general population particularly the population at hand (majority southern males likely with family hx) and I'm all ears.
Exercising shown to reduce LDL particle numbers regardless of diet
LINK
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We found that even in sedentary individuals whose habitual diets vary in the extent of adherence to AHA dietary recommendations, a rigorous, supervised exercise intervention can achieve significant beneficial lipid effects.
A study with over 15,000 samples done in 52 different countries stating that 9 out of 10 strongest risk factors for heart disease are modifiable by changes in diet and lifestyle
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Stress has been shown to increase inflammation
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These results suggest that the cumulative effect of daily stressors promotes elevations in inflammatory markers. Greater exposure to daily stressors may be a psychobiological mechanism leading to elevations in CRP levels
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LINK
Statins are easily to linked to being harmful
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48% increase in diabetes risk in women
LINK
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:01 pm to EA6B
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Framingham heart attack risk calculator
I'm at 1%
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:03 pm to dnm3305
When people speak of inflammation in heart disease they are speaking of the actual heart blood vessels swelling and thereby decreasing the diameter of the vessel. This makes it easier of plague of clog up the smaller opening. Therefore, cholesterol still plays the major role. However, in the majority of cases, there is no inflammation, its simply a matter of cholesterol buildup. Its not as simple as saying "reduce your ldl" but its the easiest thing to say. CRP measures "heart inflammation" and I can tell you most heart patients do not have elevated CRPs.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:05 pm to dnm3305
Why don't you try giving us some info besides your stupid opinion of this stuff?
Good work.
Good work.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:09 pm to Hammertime
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Like I said earlier dude, I am already taking 9-10 pills a day. 8 of them being pills that are probably detrimental to my liver in the long run.
Yeah sorry about that. I didn't read every post before I posted. I just saw your initial post & it reminded me of me trying to be all bullet proof & shite.
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