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re: What miracles would Jesus need to do today to show His divinity?

Posted on 10/18/18 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 12:21 pm to
If some Jewish looking feller showed up and said "I'm Jesus , watch me to turn this idiot into a smart person" and bam Maxine Waters became intelligent, I'd believe him.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 12:49 pm to
Win a college football national champinship at arkansas.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:46 pm to
All your points are well stated and well taken.

Respecting this:
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Why just those two? There are countless religions out there. The joke of it all is that 90% of people adopt the the religion of their culture or upbringing. I have been to many other countries and seen the same phenomenon in those places. It’s called religious indoctrination.

My journey, if you'll indulge me, has been something of a long strange trip and my search took me down many paths, and experiences, secular and "spiritual". I would not recommend something I had investigated and believed to be a dead end.

Although convinced of its basic claims and tenants, I came to Christianity somewhat uneasily, grabbing the door frame as I entered with my eyes darting high, low, right, left, looking for an escape of sorts. I have remained because I am convinced its core beliefs are historical and true. The more I've studied the more convinced I've become.

My recommendation of those two is simple enough. Agnosticism seems to me a more rational position for a person of your intellect than atheism and I can recommend Jesus to you without hesitation or reservations.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:20 pm to
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My journey, if you'll indulge me, has been something of a long strange trip and my search took me down many paths, and experiences, secular and "spiritual". I would not recommend something I had investigated and believed to be a dead end.


But the vast majority of people who talk about a long, hard journey to their religion still ultimately take up the faith of their culture or heritage. It's that way almost everywhere.

You could live your whole life in Alabama and never meet more than a few (if any) Hindus, even though Hindus represent about a quarter of the world's population.

Religious belief is just as arbitrary and superficial as other cultural norms. It's no different from Southerners liking college football and Europeans liking soccer. Neither is any better or worse than the other. With few exceptions, it's all about the culture you've been exposed to.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:55 pm to
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With few exceptions, it's all about the culture you've been exposed to.


Obviously, being immersed in a particular culture influences a person's thoughts and actions. Most people would concur.

It still doesn't discount the Truth.

Ultimately, it always comes down to faith....you believe or you don't. Either you believe Jesus is who He said He was or you don't. It really is that simple.
Posted by Globetrotter747
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:03 am to
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Ultimately, it always comes down to faith....you believe or you don't. Either you believe Jesus is who He said He was or you don't. It really is that simple.


People usually believe whatever their parents and culture tell them to believe. Few have the intellectual curiousity to even study other religions, much less adopt one.

It's part laziness, part wanting to fit in, part wanting easy answers to the big questions, and part not wanting to face mortality and tough times without hope and comfort.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:07 am to
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What miracles would Jesus need to do today to show His divinity


If he can help me win this mega millions we could be homeboys.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:48 am to
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What miracles would Jesus need to do today to show His divinity?



A divine UT win over Bama would be a nice starter.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:51 am to
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Did he reveal his deity to the Pharisees and most of the Jews? No.


Yes he did. Repeatedly.

1. When he forgave sins
2. When he said he was the living water
3. When he said he was the good shepherd (reference to Ezekiel 34)
4. When he said before Abraham was I AM
5. When he stated “I am he” to the leaders he actually didn’t say “he”, that’s added in English bibles, he just said I am. Another reference to Exodus 3

His references to being the messiah and the “second Moses” are much more obvious.

I could go on and on and on. Jesus constantly claimed his divinity in a JEWISH way via reference to scripture. Those who knew and trusted the Word saw “the word”
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 7:54 am
Posted by GaPhan
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:08 am to
“An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah."
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:19 am to
Get people to stop using speakerphone in public
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:24 pm to
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But the vast majority of people who talk about a long, hard journey to their religion still ultimately take up the faith of their culture or heritage. It's that way almost everywhere.

Historically, Christianity began as an ostracized and hated minority sect within Judaism in the middle of an Imperial Roman occupation in a world of many religions and many gods.

Ultimately, despite hostility and huge cultural differences between varying cultures across multiple borders and tribes-Christ's church and its apostles and missionaries "turned the world upside down" becoming the religion of the West up to and including, even Alabama, though not perhaps, all of Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. Kidding. Just Kidding.

So, originally, Christianity was accepted and grew because of its gospel, not because of the surrounding religious culture and heritage, but in stark contrast, even opposition, to them.

Cultural inculcation, in my case, argued most strongly against Christianity. I evidently wasn't clear about that. It wouldn't have mattered if I lived in Alabama, Louisiana, or Ulan Bator.

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Religious belief is just as arbitrary and superficial as other cultural norms. It's no different from Southerners liking college football and Europeans liking soccer. Neither is any better or worse than the other. With few exceptions, it's all about the culture you've been exposed to.

Knowing you view the consideration of religion superficial and arbitrary and no more serious than choosing a leisure pursuit suggests to me you likely view our conversation equally frivolous. It also suggests that your adoption of atheism as your article of faith is equally superficial, arbitrary, and frivolous. That being the case why not give Christianity a try just for the fun of it.



This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 10:42 pm
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