re: What is your opinion on reintroduction of predators like wolves in the United States?

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Well you would be the first person killed by a wolf in the lower 48 states since 1989. That one was when someone's "pet wolf" bit one of her owners.

The previous death before that? 1948. When a woman died of rabies from a wolf bite.

Some of you dumbasses are hilarious. Releasing a few wolves in the wild is not going to create this mass amount of wolves out stalking humans. You are more than likely going to scare them off if you come even remotely close to one. Are you really that big of a pussy?

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Personally, I blame the "Three Little Pigs" bullshite for turning all these men into pussies, and the education system in this country for turning them into dumbasses.

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I would argue that if hunters need to artificially alter the natural environment by removing native predators in order to successfully hunt, then they aren’t really sportsmen at all. At least when ranchers bitch, they are doing so in an attempt to provide food for other people. The hunting complaint is just purely selfish and warped.

ETA: It would be like fly fishermen arguing that the government should exterminate eagles and ospreys because they eat trout. That would be insane.

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I would agree with you. It ain't the wolf's fault, he is only doing what he was built to do. It is the fact that man has never tolerated it on any scale when he had the ability to eliminate the wolf from man's environment. If they were not protected they would probably not exist at all and would certainly not exist in the numbers they currently do in many areas. That is the point. It does not really matter what a person in New York or Georgia thinks...we do not have to live with them. Where they are present a large number of people would like for them not to....some of those people would eliminate them if left to do so...man always has and always will outside of the state preventing it.


There are fisherman, especially commercial fisherman, who would GLADLY eliminate eagles and ospreys from the fisherman's environment. Again, if it weren't for state intervention it would have already happened. The big difference is that man has never completely elminated those species from his environment...he has done so on a vast scale globally where wolves are concerned because there is no way to peacefully co-exist with a wolf when there is more than a small number of humans present. It has never happened anywhere on earth...man has wiped them out as soon as he could. I am not suggesting that's a good thing only that it is a fact. In north America they would only exist on a miniscule scale in very remote areas, if at all, had man been left to his own devices as far as managing wolves goes. There is a reason for this...in the existence of man and in his history he has lived with all manner of predators and when he had the ability to do so he eliminated the competition. Man was particularly efficient at this with wolves due to the makeup of the wolfs traits...they are not a predator which man can find a use for and they have proven unable or unwilling to aid man in finding a reason to keep them around. When Europeans came to North America the wolf's fate was sealed....we simply are not going to tolerate them on any kind of scale. I love the idea of them roaming Yellowstone. I do not raise cattle in the area. That is not insignificant.....

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3 minutes of searching the Google machine and I found this from the Juneau Empire

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And its totally benign

We have wolves creep into town constantly. In fact, one was the community pet for many years.

We get along just fine with them

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Personally I rather enjoy walking to my truck at 5:30am with the confidence I’m not being stalked as breakfast. But I’m weird that way. I’ve found most people who advocate for releasing apex predators back into the environment don’t live anywhere near the aforementioned “environment”.

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Agree. Humans should always come first.

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So farmers and ranchers in areas where it has happened or is being proposed are pussies?

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Yes.

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no not really

local landowners with 40-160 acres

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Interesting. What are they saying is their main issue? Michigan's national park that reintroduced 2 wolves in 2018 is now up to 31. The moose population in has decreased by like 1,000 in that span but very few of those are from the wolves. The wolves have over grazed and one of their primary winter food sources got infested. But because it's when the wolves were reintroduced people chalk it up to the wolves, even though there were only 2

They have the longest running study of wolves and moose/predator and prey research, like 40+ years worth of research and it's just a healthy and complex eco system that works and has worked throughout history there.

It's just an interesting subject to me and wolves are a bad arse animal in general.

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There are fisherman, especially commercial fisherman, who would GLADLY eliminate eagles and ospreys from the fisherman's environment. Again, if it weren't for state intervention it would have already happened.

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Man those sound like some pretty bad arse fisherman. So cool.

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There is a reason wolves have been domesticated rarely in the history of mankind. It is pretty common to see lions and grizzly bears performing tricks for treats and has been for a LONG time....it is highly unusual to see a real wolf, not a wolf hybrid, doing ANYTHING a human demands it do...

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First of all, thank you for giving me a reason to post this classic gif:



Did you just use a species ability to perform circus tricks as a qualifier when deciding which animals are suitable to be reintroduced to the wild?

Yes. Yes you did.

Man you are spouting just generational amounts of horse shite in this thread