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re: What is the benefit to driver-less cars?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:29 am to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:29 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:
This is happening whether people will like it or not.
well its not happening for a long time. not everyone will either
a. be able to afford it
b. want it
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:30 am to RealityTiger
quote:What is your definition of "failure"? Not having killed yourself or anyone else?
Look dude, I trust myself and I haven't failed at driving.
quote:Surely you can agree that humans fail all the time, though, right?
But if you think for one second that electronics never fail, you are mistaken.
quote:You probably already turned over control of your accelerator more than 20 years ago, so I believe we're closer to that day than you think.
it would have to be 20 years deep into working the kinks out for me to feel safe letting go of the wheel and sitting back.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:37 am to Nado Jenkins83
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well its not happening for a long time. not everyone will either
It will be the primary choice of new car buyers within ten years. That is a guarantee. Most likely within five, but I'll be safe and say within ten.
quote:
a. be able to afford it
Not everyone could afford internet or cell phones in 1995, either.
quote:
b. want it
That is fine. If people want to pay higher insurance, then so be it. It's their choice.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:39 am to Nado Jenkins83
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well its not happening for a long time. not everyone will either
a. be able to afford it
b. want it
a. Self-driving cars will make transportation cheaper, not more expensive. Just look at how many vehicle hours we currently waste. Why do we buy things that we only use for less than 10% of the day? Doesn't it make more sense to rent? And with no driver to pay, it will be cheap. We could probably get by with only 1/10 as many cars as we have, so unless the electronics cost 10X as much as the rest of the car (hint: they won't), then on average we will be spending less on transportation. Those who can't afford them will rent, and those who can afford them have the option to rent them out and get paid back.
b. Yeah, there are some who will never want it, but they will be a very small minority. It's not like these people will hold the technology back.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:41 am to Korkstand
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Doesn't it make more sense to rent?
some of us don't like riding around in others filth.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:44 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Then maybe you would spring for one of the pricier rental services that cleans the cars between every lift.
some of us don't like riding around in others filth.
I can't tell if you're really a luddite or just trying to be funny.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:47 am to Korkstand
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I can't tell if you're really a luddite or just trying to be funny.
neither. i just call bullshite on the 10 years quote.
more like 20 or more.
quote:
maybe you could spring for the pricier
or just drive myself.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:51 am to Jack Daniel
As someone who will have teenagers driving in about 3 years, they need to have this technology figured out by then.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:59 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:I didn't see you call bullshite on or predict any particular timeframe. I just saw you use the vague "a long time" and then list two reasons that will absolutely not slow the adoption of self-driving cars.
neither. i just call bullshite on the 10 years quote.
more like 20 or more.
quote:Sure, I hope it will always be your right as an American to pay more than necessary for insurance and to unnecessarily endanger the lives of yourself and others.
or just drive myself.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:39 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Sure, I hope it will always be your right as an American to pay more than necessary for insurance and to unnecessarily endanger the lives of yourself and others.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:47 pm to Nado Jenkins83
What's funny? If there is alternative to driving that is ten times safer, that's exactly what you'll be doing.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:26 pm to Korkstand
quote:
What's funny? If there is alternative to driving that is ten times safer, that's exactly what you'll be doing.
so these cars have a moral compass too?
will the car get in a wreck to save children on the sidewalk or jump the curb and mow them down while you read harry potter?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:29 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:
so these cars have a moral compass too?
will the car get in a wreck to save children on the sidewalk or jump the curb and mow them down while you read harry potter?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:53 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:This is unrelated to the fact that they are safer, but this IS a real issue that may delay adoption. We can place blame on a driver, but what happens when a machine kills someone? We know who would be sued... the owner, the manufacturer, everyone. But who is ultimately to blame for a truly unavoidable accident?
so these cars have a moral compass too?
quote:The car will do whatever it is programmed to do, so these decisions will be decided by people beforehand. Ideally, the car should never be faced with such a decision. If children are on the sidewalk, it should drive at a speed that it can safely stop without hitting them. If the car can't see if someone MIGHT be behind an obstacle, it should proceed with the assumption that someone is there and they could jump out at any second, just like humans should do. The only difference is computers are better at it than we are.
will the car get in a wreck to save children on the sidewalk or jump the curb and mow them down while you read harry potter?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:55 pm to Korkstand
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The car will do whatever it is programmed to do
which is what?
not one article talks about this.
the car is going to want to preserve the life on board. how will it decide who dies and who lives.
(not saying humans are any better at this situation) my only issue. why would a car manufacturer want that burden?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:11 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:
which is what?
That's a question for google and other manufacturers. Not sure they will answer you on that one, but I am sure the transportation board has asked those types of questions.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:20 pm to Dam Guide
Let me rephrase. We will never see a world where everyone relies on driverless cars that are completely efficient. You think insurance companies are just going to go away?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:26 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:
how will it decide who dies and who lives.
(not saying humans are any better at this situation) my only issue.
If that's your only issue it's a non issue. Do it the same way a human driver would, survival instinct. So if we cut auto fatalities from 40,000 to 4,000 per year, who is actually going to complain that the machines made the same mistakes as humans would have even though they made them at a much reduced rate?
The argument against driverless cars will have nothing to do with how well they drive and everything to do with how disruptive the practically overnight devaluation of human drivers will be in socioeconomic terms.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:29 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:
What is the benefit to driver-less cars?
Have you seen women drive?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:38 pm to Jack Daniel
Do you still buy a 60k plus car if your sitting in the back seat and not driving it?
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