- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
What is considered Middle Class?
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:03 pm
Question is in the title.
Also, what is the working class? I assumed it referenced blue collar workers making middle class incomes. However, more reading on this subject has me confused as to whether its average or just above poverty.
Going for Broke: Middle Class Goes Broke
Quora: only 38% of US jobs allow for middle class lifestyle.
Also, what is the working class? I assumed it referenced blue collar workers making middle class incomes. However, more reading on this subject has me confused as to whether its average or just above poverty.
Going for Broke: Middle Class Goes Broke
Quora: only 38% of US jobs allow for middle class lifestyle.
quote:
I question the veracity of the claim that “38% of US jobs pay enough to support a Middle Class lifestyle”. In the US, the fabled Middle Class was fatally wounded when Ronald Reagan was elected and started his program of Trickle Down economic voodoo that continues to decimate our Working Class to this day. We may have redefined the term Middle Class to mean anyone who makes enough at their jobs that they don’t qualify for welfare, but that is hardly a description of the prosperous Post WW II Middle Class we had prior to 1980.
The fact is that there is no longer a real “Middle Class” in the United States in terms of the affluence of the original US Middle Class. While the Middle Class wage of the past could support a family, pay for healthcare for all, educate the children through college, and make it possible for a wage earner to actually own his own home, these things are no longer in reach of the average Working Class American. In the past, most jobs offered a pension plan to supplement Social Security when the worker reached retirement age.
The Worker of today barely makes it from one payday to the next, is typically overextended in debt, has no access to healthcare, cannot afford a college education, and has no prospect for retirement.
Americans don’t feel “prosperous” because they aren’t.
While the average European, Australian, Canadian, and Japanese can look forward to a prosperous life and retirement thanks to Middle Class wages in their nations, 20% of our children live in poverty, and the overall poverty rate is 15%. Our minimum wage in the “richest country in the world” is one of the lowest in the list of First World countries. Our wages across the board have remained stagnant for over a generation, and all of the gains in the economy from growth, productivity, and equity appreciation, go right straight to the top 5% of the wealthiest of our citizens. The workers get nothing.
And on top of these things, every time we grant a gigantic handout to the wealthy class by enacting “tax reduction” legislation, it adds to the National Debt that we Working Class folks have to pay off. Last year, to give billionaires and corporations even more wealth than they already have, our “government” authorized the addition of $1.5 Trillion to the national debt, that my grand children will be paying on for the rest of their lives.
The US no longer has a Middle Class. Most of our Working Class are technically “working poor”, and our economic policies, which are designed and enacted by the Wealthy Class, make sure that it only gets worse.
This post was edited on 11/17/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:05 pm to volod
Dude it’s saturday and the weather is perfect. I’m having a drink outside. Have a wedding in a bit. Take the day off.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:07 pm to volod
quote:
Middle-income households – those with an income that is two-thirds to double the U.S. median household income – had incomes ranging from about $45,200 to $135,600 in 2016.
A lot of families fall in this income range. If they are broke it's because they spend too much.
Pew Research
This post was edited on 11/17/18 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:08 pm to volod
If we were strategic our tax cuts would bolster the middle class. The rich don’t trickle down and the poor are a lost cost. Giving breaks to the middle class should be our primary focus because that money will actually be funneled back into the economy.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:08 pm to volod
quote:
Also, what is the working class?
The one where you learn to TIG weld.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:09 pm to jimbeam
Okay. I will. Just having thoughts after buying Thanksgiving dinner this week.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:10 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
The rich don’t trickle down and the poor are a lost cost. Giving breaks to the middle class should be our primary focus because that money will actually be funneled back into the economy.
50% of Americans don't pay any income taxes already. It's hard to cut from zero.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:10 pm to volod
quote:
While the average European, Australian, Canadian, and Japanese can look forward to a prosperous life and retirement thanks to Middle Class wages in their nations, 20% of our children live in poverty, and the overall poverty rate is 15%. Our minimum wage in the “richest country in the world” is one of the lowest in the list of First World countries. Our wages across the board have remained stagnant for over a generation, and all of the gains in the economy from growth, productivity, and equity appreciation, go right straight to the top 5% of the wealthiest of our citizens. The workers get nothing.
There is so much B.S. just in this paragraph alone, it makes my eyes hurt. They have failed to identify why these things have come to be, instead they just take the simple route.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:12 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
If they are broke it's because they spend too much.
Pretty much sums it up.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:17 pm to volod
All this bitching about minimum wage is tiresome.
Anybody still making it after 6 months or a year isn't doing something right.
But hey, raise it and get me more self checker slots in Walmart and elsewhere I don't give a shite
Anybody still making it after 6 months or a year isn't doing something right.
But hey, raise it and get me more self checker slots in Walmart and elsewhere I don't give a shite
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:17 pm to volod
Whatever plant operators make
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:18 pm to volod
Middle class and these days = 140,000+
Change my mind
Change my mind
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:20 pm to gthog61
quote:
All this bitching about minimum wage is tiresome.
Especially because it makes those jobs more unattainable for the people those laws are supposed to help. Same with OT laws. If we didn't have to pay people 1.5 times there hourly rate over 40 hours, how much more money would people be able to make without employer limitations on hours worked. So much good legislating going on these days.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:22 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Middle class and these days = 140,000+
Change my mind
Remove the leading 1 and you are close
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:22 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
50% of Americans don't pay any income taxes already. It's hard to cut from zero.
They get credits. I’m not agreeing with it, just saying what’s happening.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:28 pm to jimbeam
quote:
Dude it’s saturday and the weather is perfect. I’m having a drink outside. Have a wedding in a bit. Take the day off.
You were literally the first reply.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:28 pm to volod
Rather than look at just income, look at the lifestyles of the “middle class” of the 1950’s and the ‘middle class” today and share your thoughts. Be objective and consider access to automobiles, mass transit, communication, education, healthcare, worker safety, entertainment, etc.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 3:28 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
50% of Americans don't pay any income taxes already. It's hard to cut from zero.
Apparently, not really true.
quote:
One of the biggest misconceptions about the U.S. tax code is that a large portion of Americans do not pay federal taxes. Although it is true that the bottom 40 percent of income earners pay no individual income tax, they face payroll taxes if they are working. In fact, about 80 percent of American taxpayers pay more in payroll taxes than in individual income taxes. Payroll taxes, which help to finance Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits, are the second largest source of federal revenue, and make up about one-third of total receipts annually. Payroll taxes are deducted from workers’ paychecks through a line item called FICA, which stands for the Federal Insurance Contributions Act.
While nearly all Americans pay taxes, the composition of the type of taxes paid is very different for taxpayers at various points in the income distribution. Affluent Americans pay a larger share of their income in individual income taxes, corporate taxes, and estate taxes than lower-income groups.1 By contrast, lower-income groups owe a greater portion of their earnings for payroll taxes and excise taxes than those groups who are better-off. Excise taxes are indirect taxes levied upon transactions of particular goods or activities, such as gasoline, alcohol, or gambling.
LINK
Don't really know much about this foundation. Could probably use a little more research into it, but it seems legit enough. Their point is apparent enough though even without verification.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 5:07 pm to Peazey
It’s a lot more involved than that though.
For instance, I’d be interested at how far the numbers skew once you neutralize payroll taxes with credit payouts.
Also, it’s kinda a bit of sophistry to connect those taxes in order to marginalize the problem of the number that have no skin in the game.
They are connected to programs that are questionably solvent and will result in cash payments back to the individual, with a far higher ROI to low income people under current rules which are likely to get more slanted as time goes on.
For instance, I’d be interested at how far the numbers skew once you neutralize payroll taxes with credit payouts.
Also, it’s kinda a bit of sophistry to connect those taxes in order to marginalize the problem of the number that have no skin in the game.
They are connected to programs that are questionably solvent and will result in cash payments back to the individual, with a far higher ROI to low income people under current rules which are likely to get more slanted as time goes on.
This post was edited on 11/17/18 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 11/17/18 at 5:15 pm to volod
middle class is poor
poor people are broke.
95% of both classes will end up broke. 200k in their 401ks, and nothing to pass down to their children.
Sorry baws, it is the truth.
As GI Joe once said, knowing is half the battle.
Now get to work, or end up as the 95%.
Pro tip - It is not what you make, it is what you spend.
poor people are broke.
95% of both classes will end up broke. 200k in their 401ks, and nothing to pass down to their children.
Sorry baws, it is the truth.
As GI Joe once said, knowing is half the battle.
Now get to work, or end up as the 95%.
Pro tip - It is not what you make, it is what you spend.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News