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re: What if I told you the most sensitive thermocouples, heat flux sensors, and radiometers...

Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:07 pm to
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:07 pm to
Because you are speaking in generalities while missing the point, while acting like its profound.

Just because temperature inherently has a delay in detection time, doesn't mean there isn't a vast difference of engineering between sensors that can detect changes to a hundredth of a degree within a fraction of a second and one that can detect changes within a tenth of a degree within 5 seconds.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 8:13 pm
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4788 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:07 pm to
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Without looking it up, what are the principles of a thermocouple


Two wires of a different material create a voltage and that is translated into a temp reading. Not very complicated.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4415 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:17 pm to
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wrapping wires the size of spiderwebs perfectly around other super small wires, etc under a microscope.
I hope they've got better microscopes than those in the picture.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4415 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:18 pm to
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Yes, to me it wasn't crazy that it was made by a small business by just a few people... but that the shop had 1960s and 70s electrical equipment being used to test them, looks like a super cluttered mad scientist dark dungeon, etc.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:18 pm to
quote:

Two wires of a different material create a voltage and that is translated into a temp reading. Not very complicated.


Like I said the idea isn't complicated, but their sensitivity etc is very complicated.

No one else in the world has been able to duplicate them or even come close and lots have tried including SpaceX.

So, it's not as simple as some of you want to make out.

Eta, the size is also important. The main sensor that is embedded in most of the projects is the size of a grain of rice.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 6:49 pm
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8384 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:21 pm to
Flux Capacitors? Where da Flux Capacitors?
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
5910 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:26 pm to
looking at the picture, a little left of center, upper shelf is a blonde wooden box that may be a Wheatstone bridge. Thats the apparatus used with a thermocouple to measure temperature. The one I have on my shelf was made in 1958.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:39 pm to
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looking at the picture, a little left of center, upper shelf is a blonde wooden box that may be a Wheatstone bridge. Thats the apparatus used with a thermocouple to measure temperature. The one I have on my shelf was made in 1958.


Well the picture is a AI Bing generated image based on my description, lol

1970s electrical test equipment was was one thing I said.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 6:42 pm
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6984 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:41 pm to
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Just just temperature inherently has a delay in detection time, doesn't mean there is a vast difference of engineering between sensors that can detect changes to a hundredth of a degree within a fraction of a second and one that can detect changes within a tenth of a degree within 5 seconds

umm yes there is
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:46 pm to
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Flux Capacitors? Where da Flux Capacitors?


I seriously wouldn't doubt if the guy that came up with this stuff had one designed on paper in his cabinet.

The guy that owns it now said there were tons of designs and plans this guy had come up with that never got made, lol
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 6:46 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51908 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:48 pm to
That “is” was supposed to be “isn’t”

Corrected. Even though the context should have made the point fairly clear.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84900 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:49 pm to
Why did you post an AI image?
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

I hope they've got better microscopes than those in the picture.


From what he told me they didn't before he bought it and just upgraded them within the last 10 years or so, lol.

He said some of them you could hardly see through due to heat damage from soldering under them so long.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 6:52 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:53 pm to
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Why did you post an AI image?


Cause what they do back there and how they do it is very secretive and I don't think he would have wanted me snapping photos.

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98188 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:00 pm to
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meat probe


Used in a sentence: "I had unprotected sex and now my thermocouple burns when I pee."
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36074 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:09 pm to
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


Well it kinda is broke in some ways. Not broke, but time consuming.

One of the reasons I was there was to help come up with ways to speed up the process. They are very backlogged.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84900 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:13 pm to
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Cause what they do back there and how they do it is very secretive and I don't think he would have wanted me snapping photos.


fair enough, just thought it was peculiar.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
5957 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:28 pm to
That’s some 1970’s analog looking test gear. Fake, but impressive for an AI machine. The flux capacitors in the lower right on the bench are a nice touch.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16581 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:40 pm to
ThermoWorks > ThermoPro
Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11660 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:41 pm to
25 years ago I worked for a tiny operation in BTR, owned and run by an EE professor who wrote circuit textbooks. We assembled circuit boards that were used in the Mars rover, and the lab looked kinda like the pic in the OP.
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