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Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:24 pm to
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And I'm right...it take more courage to truly believe in God and live by God than not.


it takes zero courage simply because what you are living for is a reward

would you still believe and live by your God if there was no reward in the end? that would be courage



Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:27 pm to
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What you're really saying is that very few people live by YOUR opinion of God and your beliefs about God



Very few people live they God's expectations as laid out in the good book, but you're right...the good book is open for discussion.

And, yes, my opinion is that myself and the vast majority of self proclaimed Christians haven't lived by God and therefore aren't prepared for eternal salvation.

I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:29 pm to
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Quit being a dick.


Can't you go back to the Movie board and ruin a discussion about DC v Marvel?

Fur frick's sake...the ONE topic I bitch about NOT getting to take part in any more on this forum because it always devolves into this kind of thing is gonna be fricked up by you...and I'M the dick?

How about...and I'm just spitballing here...admins surgically remove fricksticks who refuse to follow guidelines laid out by a thread starter and who are in threads just to frick them up...rather than, you know...anchoring or deleting the thread?
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8155 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:34 pm to
Well scientifically speaking...if you believe in the conservation of energy theory...no energy is either created or destroyed....then our body changes to another form of energy.

One could say that's the decay of the physical body...or the release of the soul.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:42 pm to
Jesus Christ, man! I posted one sentence...ONE SENTENCE...and you lost (and are still losing) your shite.

Calm the frick down, baw!

I'm not the only one who has posted about God.

Please, brother bear, tell me why this topic means so much to you and why you refuse to insert God into the discussion? Is it just to abide by the OP's expectations?

If it was my thread you wouldn't respect my expectations.


How about this (just to make your sorry arse happy):

When you die, a drug known as DMT is released which some say is your body's way of calming your mind as it enters death while others say DMT is literally your "heaven" or "hell" depending on your mindset going into death.

We know the brain remains active for a bit of time beyond death. Actually, it receives a burst of neural activity at the onset of death.

Who is to say that death is no more than the longest dream imaginable? We sometimes wake up feeling like we've lived a lifetime within a dream which in reality only lasted a brief moment.

If we receive a burst of neural activity at the onset of death accompanied by DMT (an incredibly powerful hallucinogenic drug), perhaps we would perceive ourselves living out eternity during those incredibly active moments occurring in our brain post death.

The experience would be FAR greater than any dream we experienced while alive. And if we can live a lifetime in a normal dream, imagine what we could do in several seconds of extremely active brain activity following death!

On the flip side, imagine what sort of hell we could conjure as well. I've been chased by Satan in several "normal nightmares". If I died with extreme guilt, sadness, longing, or pain...imagine what may happen if my post death neural activity created a hellish landscape...or even worse, a landscape of sadness and regret?

It's almost too scary to think about.

But, either way, when we die perhaps the "neural surge" we experience creates the illusion of eternity to ease our transition from life to death, followed by a gradual fade to nothing (of which would be so subtle we wouldn't pick up on it within the dreamscape).

Remember, our perception of time in dreams is not the same as our perception of time when awake. Imagine what our perception of time may be if our brain surged with DMT the moment we died and we entered into the most vivid incredible dream imaginable.

Question is: Would you consider that incredible dream to be a real Heaven or Hell? I would. When we die, our existence transfers from the real world to solely within our brains. Perception is everything. Our perception of "life" would be our experience in our post death dream world, which means it would be our reality.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 2:55 pm
Posted by skinny domino
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:44 pm to
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John 3:36 - “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
bring it on
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:50 pm to
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Well scientifically speaking...if you believe in the conservation of energy theory...no energy is either created or destroyed....then our body changes to another form of energy.

One could say that's the decay of the physical body...or the release of the soul.


When you die some energy is lost through heat transfer, it disperses into the surrounding environment. Afterwards the chemical bonds that make up your body slowly deteriorate through decomposition. This is a chemical state change, it's not mysticism.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:53 pm to
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energy is lost


Nope.
Posted by Heathens
Oxford, MS
Member since Jul 2016
716 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:54 pm to
I understand what you were asking but I was asked how do we has human beings know that there was nothingness before life? Before the time our of our conception or making how do we know that we weren't already conscious of our being? We don't know if we as humans have the mental capacity to reach back that far to remember time before life. We may know exactly what happened an it may be barried so deep in our minds that only death lets it show its face again to us. What if DMT isn't actually what cases these near death experiences what if it's our mind opening back up to the universe and returning home?

This is some deep shite.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Heathens
Oxford, MS
Member since Jul 2016
716 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:57 pm to
Please don't ruin this for everyone, there is only room for heathly debate in this thread.
Posted by Langland
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:00 pm to
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What book is that from?

LINK
It's from this link. This is the same link I had in my original post. I quoted the summary at the bottom of the linked page.

Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
30867 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:01 pm to
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I don't know, I really don't know if I'm scared to die or not. I don't know if I should be scared or not. I've always thought that if I'm a good person and my intentions are truly good throughout life then what else can my creator or higher being ask of me?


Being good will not get you into heaven. It has nothing to do with it. Good people go to hell all the time.


quote:

If that's not enough to get into heaven then I guess I'm going to hell.


One of Satan's biggest lies is he does not want you to believe that heaven is a glorious place and not very desirable when it really is. He influences many people with this lie. There are hundreds of videos and books of people who have seen heaven and met Jesus. They describe in detail of how marvelous heaven actually is. I encourage you to read this information from eye witnesses.


Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

50:and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jude 1-7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Also, there are hundreds of eye witness testimonial on hell as well. Before, "you guess your going to hell" choice you might want to read about the place you are choosing to go too. Here are a few videos.

LINK

LINK



Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:01 pm to
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Please, brother bear, tell me why this topic means so much to you and why you refuse to insert God into the discussion? Is it just to abide by the OP's expectations?


Because long before your arse ever showed up here, we used to have long interesting religious discussions on this forum. In fact, they used to take place over on the PoliBoard of you can believe that! Most started about Evolution, which was the hot button topic at the time and then would become general religious topics.

These would be VERY long threads, and even when they got heated those of us IN THEM enjoyed them immensely. But, as is always the case, jackasses who could not stand to see a topic debated felt the need to get all offended instead of simply ignoring threads they weren't interested in, and religious topics were essentially banned. I was banned personally for like 9 months after that for arguing about it...

So yeah...I love this topic and I resent it that people who were SO upset that someone might disagree with their worldview couldn't just ignore them but had to put an end to them took that great avenue of discussion away from me. I'm an atheist in South Louisiana. It's not like this is a topic I can walk up to anyone and start talking about here.

So, when we actually DO get a topic like this and EVERYONE seems to be playing nicely, I do tend to get pissed when someone like you rolls in with no purpose other than to throw a bomb in and frick it all up. You added nothing to the actual discussion. What you types as your first post in this thread was just inflammatory, didn't address the OP's question, and was designed to do nothing but cause an argument. But you know that already, right?

As for the rest of that stuff you posted, I quit caring about what you had to say on this topic when it was clear you weren't going to add to it when you first arrived in here...
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:02 pm to
When you die, a drug known as DMT is released which some say is your body's way of calming your mind as it enters death while others say DMT is literally your "heaven" or "hell" depending on your mindset going into death.

We know the brain remains active for a bit of time beyond death. Actually, it receives a burst of neural activity at the onset of death.

Who is to say that death is no more than the longest dream imaginable? We sometimes wake up feeling like we've lived a lifetime within a dream which in reality only lasted a brief moment.

If we receive a burst of neural activity at the onset of death accompanied by DMT (an incredibly powerful hallucinogenic drug), perhaps we would perceive ourselves living out eternity during those incredibly active moments occurring in our brain post death.

The experience would be FAR greater than any dream we experienced while alive. And if we can live a lifetime in a normal dream, imagine what we could do in several seconds of extremely active brain activity following death!

On the flip side, imagine what sort of hell we could conjure as well. I've been chased by Satan in several "normal nightmares". If I died with extreme guilt, sadness, longing, or pain...imagine what may happen if my post death neural activity created a hellish landscape...or even worse, a landscape of sadness and regret?

It's almost too scary to think about.

But, either way, when we die perhaps the "neural surge" we experience creates the illusion of eternity to ease our transition from life to death, followed by a gradual fade to nothing (of which would be so subtle we wouldn't pick up on it within the dreamscape).

Remember, our perception of time in dreams is not the same as our perception of time when awake. Imagine what our perception of time may be if our brain surged with DMT the moment we died and we entered into the most vivid incredible dream imaginable.

Question is: Would you consider that incredible dream to be a real Heaven or Hell? I would. When we die, our existence transfers from the real world to solely within our brains. Perception is everything. Our perception of "life" would be our experience in our post death dream world, which means it would be our reality.
Posted by Heathens
Oxford, MS
Member since Jul 2016
716 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:03 pm to
Oh I apologize! Thanks
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:05 pm to
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Because long before your arse ever showed up here, we used to have long interesting religious discussions on this forum. In fact, they used to take place over on the PoliBoard of you can believe that! Most started about Evolution, which was the hot button topic at the time and then would become general religious topics. These would be VERY long threads, and even when they got heated those of us IN THEM enjoyed them immensely. But, as is always the case, jackasses who could not stand to see a topic debated felt the need to get all offended instead of simply ignoring threads they weren't interested in, and religious topics were essentially banned. I was banned personally for like 9 months after that for arguing about it... So yeah...I love this topic and I resent it that people who were SO upset that someone might disagree with their worldview couldn't just ignore them but had to put an end to them took that great avenue of discussion away from me. I'm an atheist in South Louisiana. It's not like this is a topic I can walk up to anyone and start talking about here. So, when we actually DO get a topic like this and EVERYONE seems to be playing nicely, I do tend to get pissed when someone like you rolls in with no purpose other than to throw a bomb in and frick it all up. You added nothing to the actual discussion. What you types as your first post in this thread was just inflammatory, didn't address the OP's question, and was designed to do nothing but cause an argument. But you know that already, right?



This is actually amazing because I'm well known on here for being able to carry on deep discussions. What you seek is the same thing I seek (whether you realize it or not).

Perhaps you need to realize you attacked me for really nothing at all. I just posted one sentence and you went fricking ballistic.

I have as much right to join this discussion as anyone who posts here. And for what it's worth, I responded in a "healthy" way to your expectations of how everyone should behave in this thread.

If you refuse to read it, fine. But you're just no different than the people who long ago ruined your ability to passionately discuss somewhat taboo topics.

This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:05 pm to
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But, one day we will die. And, those atoms that once were other things will break their bonds that currently form us and float away to become others things once more.


As we truly understand so little of what "makes us human" and given we attribute this "humanness" to a "soul" or "memories", we have just as much reason to believe that our atoms today carry some imprint or memory from a previous state of being and will continue to do so once we "as a human" continue to exist. So, perhaps we will remember our human form once it is gone....... But perhaps not.

(this is starting to get a little Lovecraftian )
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43472 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:08 pm to
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I really don't know if I'm scared to die or not


We all should be, it's human nature.

quote:

I don't know if I should be scared or not

Yes, it's human nature. Fear of death is healthy.

quote:

I've always been really scared that when we die it's just nothingness, you feel nothing, you see nothing, you are nothing


This is the case, and because it's 'nothing', it's incomprehensible. Your brain can't tangle with that because all it knows is 'something'. You won't know that you're nothing because you will no longer be conscious. There will be no brain function to determine what that experience is.



What happens when we die:
-We die.
-We are mourned.
-We are either cremated or buried.
If cremated, our ashes either sit in an urn in memory or we are spread back to the earth, eventually becoming just part of the planet again.
-If buried, our body decomposes in a casket. Over a long period of time, the casket decomposes. Eventually, both your casket and your decomposed body decompose and become part of the earth again. There is a bit of solace in that thought; that from which you came you become once again.

Whether or not you are religious, this is what happens. Whether or not there is a soul and whether or not said soul goes anywhere is a different topic unto its own.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 3:12 pm
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:09 pm to
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But, one day we will die. And, those atoms that once were other things will break their bonds that currently form us and float away to become others things once more.



Question is...where does our conscious reside? Does our conscious exist at the molecular level and continue as our atoms become a part of something else?

Reincarnation????

This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted by Heathens
Oxford, MS
Member since Jul 2016
716 posts
Posted on 8/31/16 at 3:11 pm to
Thanks I'll look into that for sure, I mean I believe in God and I am a religious man, I just have my questions.
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