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re: What happens to electric cars that are flooded?

Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:56 am to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 11:56 am to
Slap new battery in and drive it for 30 miles before a recharge.
Posted by keakar
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:02 pm to
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What happens to electric cars that are flooded?


when an electric motor goes under water it is not completely ruined. the wires wrapped around it are still ok, but everything else for control and function will need to be replaced as well as the armature and bearings, so it needs to be completely reconditioned at around 40% of the cost of brand new ones. then there are the rest of the cars damage.

so its a complete totaled vehicle with few if any exceptions

this also applies to driving through water, you might make it, but you will start having endless electrical issues after
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 12:06 pm
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:13 pm to
Other than Coach Prime and his new NIL ‘cruit, who in Jackson can afford an electric car?

Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:15 pm to
Battery powered submarines have been around since WWII. Dry it out and keep powering on.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:18 pm to
What do you think happens? Insurance totals a regular car if just the floorboard gets wet
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:26 pm to
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What happens to electric cars that are flooded?


Totaled
Posted by Cracker
in a box
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:15 pm to
You need a grain bin full of rice
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:27 pm to
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You need a grain bin full of rice

And a crane to drop your car in with.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:40 pm to
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when an electric motor goes under water it is not completely ruined. the wires wrapped around it are still ok, but everything else for control and function will need to be replaced as well as the armature and bearings, so it needs to be completely reconditioned at around 40% of the cost of brand new ones. then there are the rest of the cars damage.

so its a complete totaled vehicle with few if any exceptions



Why are you just pulling shot out of your arse?

Lets set aside car motors for a moment. You can buy standard induction motors used for tons of residential, commercial and industrial applications from open frame/open drip proof (ODP) all the way up to TEFC with ratings up to IP69. The motors on my boat lift are IP68 and sat under as much as three feet of water for nearly 48 hours during the flood, they were/are completely fine.

The motors in a Tesla are sealed and are fine with submersion. Now any seal has a life expectancy and I can't speak to the life expectancy of the seals in a Tesla motor but ones in basic small TEFC motors last for well over a decade in use.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:38 pm to
I've seen what happens when pure lithium is dropped in water in a lab.
Is this the kind of fire that we've seen in some electric cars that most fire departments aren't equipped to fight?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:53 pm to
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I've seen what happens when pure lithium is dropped in water in a lab.
Is this the kind of fire that we've seen in some electric cars that most fire departments aren't equipped to fight?


No. They are almost always a result of thermal runaway from overheating. It usually starts with an individual cell. While water and lithium do cause a significant exothermic reaction the actual way to put out a EV battery fire is with water. Foam and monoammonium phosphate the yellow stuff in most common fire extinguishers won't work. You literally need to flood the battery and it requires huge amounts of water. The problem is if you don't use enough water individual cells will continue to overheat, rupture and ignite. It is possible to get a lithium-induced fire from a punctured cell but you don't need water per se just the water in the air is enough. This would be a very unusual situation and require a heck of a lot more energy to puncture a battery pack exterior than a typical passenger car gas tank. However, it could occur though I have never seen any mention of it but I also haven't looked.

Just like a computer, phone or tool lithium battery a car's battery pack on fire should be attacked with water... lots and lots of water.


It is important to understand the need for water is to essential envelope the battery in water.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:57 pm to
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The flooding in Jackson MS (where some people are escaping the catastrophic flooding by wading out) is doubtless going to flood some very expensive battery compartments.

Can those cars be salvaged or will then short themselves into oblivion?




Reaching for gotchas?
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:11 pm to
Put them in rice
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:18 pm to
The batteries are actually sealed up quite well. Everything else will be trashed and it’ll get totaled as previously pointed out.
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:27 pm to
Same thing with gas. shite still won't work.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:34 pm to
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What happens to electric cars that are flooded?
Engage the choke for a bit and then try to start them.

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16336 posts
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:40 pm to
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No. They are almost always a result of thermal runaway from overheating. It usually starts with an individual cell. While water and lithium do cause a significant exothermic reaction the actual way to put out a EV battery fire is with water. Foam and monoammonium phosphate the yellow stuff in most common fire extinguishers won't work. You literally need to flood the battery and it requires huge amounts of water. The problem is if you don't use enough water individual cells will continue to overheat, rupture and ignite. It is possible to get a lithium-induced fire from a punctured cell but you don't need water per se just the water in the air is enough. This would be a very unusual situation and require a heck of a lot more energy to puncture a battery pack exterior than a typical passenger car gas tank. However, it could occur though I have never seen any mention of it but I also haven't looked.

I’ve actually commissioned independent engineers reports on Tesla cell for fire and water intrusion and the results were impressive. The latest units are difficult to induce thermal runaway in.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 10:42 pm
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:43 pm to
Just get an otterbox
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 8/26/22 at 6:03 pm to
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Jackson MS


Dodge Chargers are gas
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/26/22 at 6:46 pm to
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Dodge Chargers are gas


Maybe not for long

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