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re: What good reason is there to believe in God?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:52 am to FutureMikeVIII
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:52 am to FutureMikeVIII
It simply explains there is no proof of human evolution.
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:54 am to VolSquatch
quote:Exactly. What is the point of going through this tedious game of good vs evil if the goal is heaven?
What’s the point of giving us free will if the goal is to get to heaven?
In that case why not just start us out in heaven to begin with?
If that isn’t the goal then what’s the point of Christianity? And if that isn’t the goal, then Big Religion’s God is a jokester that doesn’t deserve our love and admiration.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:56 am to JiminyCricket
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According to Christian doctrine, the "goal" is not to get to heaven. The goal is to be reconciled to God and to have a relationship with him. Heaven is just a bonus.
Once you start realizing that the definition of sin is "being outside of right relationship with people and God" then everything starts to make more sense.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:59 am to TX Tiger
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Exactly. What is the point of going through this tedious game of good vs evil if the goal is heaven?
The goal isn't heaven.
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If that isn’t the goal then what’s the point of Christianity?
Connection and relationship with God is the goal, heaven is just a bonus.
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And if that isn’t the goal, then Big Religion’s God is a jokester that doesn’t deserve our love and admiration.
God created us because he is inherently creative. God loved us because God is inherently loving. God gave us freedom to choose him because he is inherently personal. God doesn't breeze past sin because he is inherently righteous.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:59 am to TX Tiger
quote:Have you even read the last page?
TX Tiger
As just stated, and I agree. Reconcilation and relationship is the ultimate goal.
Can you show me any kind of goal apart from God?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:01 am to bayoubengals88
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Once you start realizing that the definition of sin is "being outside of right relationship with people and God" then everything starts to make more sense.
Yep, the goal is to be close to God. Heaven is just God's address. It's but a creation that points to his goodness, not an idol to be worshipped. Christian doctrine states that God himself is the prize.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:02 am to bayoubengals88
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Have you even read the last page?
As just stated, and I agree. Reconcilation and relationship is the ultimate goal.
Can you show me any kind of goal apart from God?
In fairness, even as a believer, it is mind blowing to think about why God loves us. It's certainly humbling, but mind blowing all the same.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:03 am to BigNastyTiger417
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It simply explains there is no proof of human evolution.
That’s not what it says at all, good lord
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:11 am to Albino Potato
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The Romans were very good at killing people. Jesus died, they even speared his side to make sure. Jesus was resurrected 3 days later and appeared to 500 eye witnesses over 40 day period. So much so that those disciples were completely on fire for God that they went out and spread the gospel even under threat of death. They didn’t care because they know what they saw was undeniable. You don’t do that for something fake. The joke would be up, you’d say anything to live. But all of them were killed for spreading Jesus’ teachings and what they witnessed. Just go look at all the prophecy’s fulfilled. The Old Testament predates prophecy’s from the New Testament by thousands of years. It’s incredible. We are talking lineages, rise and fall of kingdoms, and of course the birth of Jesus(and the exact lineage he’d be from).
The Branch Davidians were so convinced David Koresh was God that they willingly died for him.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:23 am to JiminyCricket
quote:Its all the same thing. Do good and be with God in heaven. That’s the goal. That’s the point of all this.
If that isn’t the goal then what’s the point of Christianity?
Connection and relationship with God is the goal, heaven is just a bonus.
quote:Is He ever. Forcing us to breath to stay alive. To kill in order to eat. The free will to hate.
God created us because he is inherently creative.
What was He smoking when He came up with this circus and why aren’t we privy to it ourselves? I guess maybe you have to get to heaven for the good stuff.
quote:This must be why He gives children excruciatingly painful cancer and disease.
God loved us because God is inherently loving.
quote:Why would He give us the freedom to choose if he wants us on His side? Seems awfully counterproductive.
God gave us freedom to choose him because he is inherently personal.
quote:By what standard?
he is inherently righteous.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:23 am to Jim Rockford
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The Branch Davidians were so convinced David Koresh was God that they willingly died for him.
Admittedly, I'm not super brushed up on David Koresh and the BD's but I'm pretty sure he had his followers convinced he was a prophet with gifts from God, not God himself.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:27 am to TX Tiger
quote:His own. That's the definition of God.
By what standard?
quote:Do you have kids or a spouse? I want my kids and my wife to "be on my side" but I can't force them to be. The likelihood of them "being on my side" is much higher if I am loving toward them. It's no different than with God. We see Jesus say this as quoted above.
Why would He give us the freedom to choose if he wants us on His side? Seems awfully counterproductive.
quote:I think that everyonestruggles with this thinking.
This must be why He gives children excruciatingly painful cancer and disease.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:29 am to TX Tiger
Look, I understand that there's probably a lot to your story and I'm not likely to convince you of much on an anonymous message board. Once again, the goal is not to "do good" and "get to heaven." That's not what the gospel states. As for the rest of it, we could go through theological reasonings and debates over the nature of evil and why God allows it but I don't have a lot of confidence that it would move the needle for you all that much. If I'm wrong, I'd be glad to answer some of those questions on the nature of why bad things happen in this world but I also don't want to waste my time if you aren't going to consider it.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:31 am to bayoubengals88
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This must be why He gives children excruciatingly painful cancer and disease.
I think that everyonestruggles with this thinking.
I think it's a flaw in logic to say God gives children cancer. Unfortunately, this world is not perfect. Because it's not, the rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous. We are all mortal beings in a world that will kill us all at some point from injury, disease or age. No one is exempt from the mortality of this world. That doesn't mean that God "gives" children cancer.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:33 am to bayoubengals88
quote:How convenient for Him.
By what standard?
His own. That's the definition of God.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:36 am to TX Tiger
quote:Thankfully for us, it's a good standard. Do you have others in mind? The woke agenda? The Enlightenment rationalists? Yours? The opposite political party of your choosing? The media?
How convenient for Him.
God doesn't need your approval of his good standard. Only that you follow it for your own good.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:39 am to Jim Rockford
quote:The difference is the Branch Davidians were tricked. Jesus' apostles would have known without a shadow of a doubt they were lying to people saying Jesus rose from the dead. They traveled all over claiming to see him in the flesh after he died and were killed for it. Men don't give up their lives for a known lie.
The Branch Davidians were so convinced David Koresh was God that they willingly died for him.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:39 am to JiminyCricket
quote:You sound like a Trump supporter. Everything good in the world is Trump’s doing. And everything bad in the world is someone else’s fault.
This must be why He gives children excruciatingly painful cancer and disease.
I think that everyonestruggles with this thinking.
I think it's a flaw in logic to say God gives children cancer.
The same could be said for the Obamabots.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:39 am to TX Tiger
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Exactly. What is the point of going through this tedious game of good vs evil if the goal is heaven?
Which one is more rewarding and fulfilling, winning the Lombardi trophy or being given it?
The Bible even has a story about beings who were given paradise from the jump. What happened to them?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:42 am to StrongOffer
quote:Who’s going to tell him?
The Branch Davidians were so convinced David Koresh was God that they willingly died for him.
The difference is the Branch Davidians were tricked. Jesus' apostles would have known without a shadow of a doubt they were lying to people saying Jesus rose from the dead. They traveled all over claiming to see him in the flesh after he died and were killed for it. Men don't give up their lives for a known lie.
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