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re: What can you tell me about the Construction Management program at LSU?
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:05 pm to Solo Cam
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:05 pm to Solo Cam
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Start in engineering and try to finish that then switch to CM if you can’t cut it in engineering.
Unless you want to be onsite using your hands.
My old roommates got a degree in Petroleum Engineering. His job sucks dick and I make more than him now working about 1/3 of the hours.
It is hard for some people to understand that there are many people in this world that do not want to be engineers, spending life in a office staring at a screen. The CM degree was created because employers needed workers with a particular skill set, and personality type. Was not in construction, but I changed my career path a couple of times because I could not stand being in a office all day no matter how much it paid.
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:10 pm to bosmack337
Honestly they should make it a 2 year program with a year of paid internship or something along those lines. It is a good program and if combined with the opportunity to apply what you are learning as you are learning it would be a lot better. The fact that universities have people doing 100-200 level courses is stupid, but I am also on a kick that I think these 4 year institutions are systematically screwing 95% of the students. 4 years may be needed for certain specialization or advanced studies, but outside of that it is pointless
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:14 pm to bosmack337
Construction management is for people who want to be engineers but don’t have the douche gene most engineers are born with
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:14 pm to bosmack337
I’m a CM grad. For much of my time since graduation I could have ent anywhere and gotten a job that pays well. I’ve had a great job for over 15 years with a great company. I couldn’t be happier that I flunked out of engineering.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:58 pm to bosmack337
We do. Commercial construction. My division specializes in building construction inside of plants.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 9:01 pm to Klondikekajun
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Couple it with an MBA or law degree and you’ll name your price.
What about both and will you hire me for whatever price I name? If not, point me in the correct direction.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 6:15 am to NorthShoreTiger44
So to note, I don’t actually have a CM degree. Graduated with a finance degree, realized I hated it, then got into construction 5 years ago. Have played both PM and estimator, but currently a ride and show estimator client side making 90k and I’m the lowest level estimator on the team. In Orlando.
If you are with one of the big GC firms that do big stock option plans or pensions and you are still a project engineer, 71k would be about right here at year 3. But the second you’d make that jump to say APM, your making mid 80s low 90s in Central Fl. Those bigger GCs without good retirement benefits may scape 6 figures at that level.
If you are with one of the big GC firms that do big stock option plans or pensions and you are still a project engineer, 71k would be about right here at year 3. But the second you’d make that jump to say APM, your making mid 80s low 90s in Central Fl. Those bigger GCs without good retirement benefits may scape 6 figures at that level.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:27 am to bosmack337
I hear Hard Hats 101 and Hiring Mexicans 302 are really hard classes
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:40 am to Cajunhawk81
LOL...I will give CM this credit, the business curriculum made getting an MBA super easy...I felt like it was easier for me than the engineers and doctors and teachers in the program
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:56 am to bosmack337
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What can you tell me about the Construction Management program at LSU?
Graduates probably won’t be building a bridge over the Mississippi River near Baton Rouge anytime soon.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:16 am to Triggerr
quote:did you graduate CM? Sure there were some classes that felt like bullshite at the time, but I think it built a good base knowledge making easier to switch industries or roles.
they should make it a 2 year program
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:19 am to OGM
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did you graduate CM? Sure there were some classes that felt like bullshite at the time, but I think it built a good base knowledge making easier to switch industries or roles.
I did and completely agree with the 2 year classroom/2 year internship model
I learned more in my first year as a young Project Engineer out of school than I did in 4 years of college. I graduated in 05 so I’m sure it’s progressed since then though.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:24 am to jamboybarry
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I learned more in my first year as a young Project Engineer out of school than I did in 4 years of college. I graduated in 05 so I’m sure it’s progressed since then though.
That’s in any major. When I took it there were only about 4 classes that were really challenging. The rest were very informative but not challenging. This is when CM was in the engineering college.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:33 am to bosmack337
My company is outsourcing its engineering services overseas to Asia. The engineers who are onsite now are doing twice the work and averaging over 50 hours per week. We are losing them left and right.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:40 am to BigPerm30
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That’s in any major.
To some degree yes but construction at least the commercial side exponentially more. I will say most kids I graduated with didn’t work in the field at all prior to graduating and had shite for knowledge about actual building means and methods. Some type of internship would lessen the steep learning curve for new hires
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:55 am to sawtooth
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My company is outsourcing its engineering services overseas to Asia. The engineers who are onsite now are doing twice the work and averaging over 50 hours per week. We are losing them left and right.
On a multi billion project right now, same thing is happening across the board with all teams. Our engineers are actually holding together pretty good. More like our project coordinators, technical managers, finance, legal, etc. Essentially anyone who does the leg work because they staffed the project more too heavy putting more work on everyone else. Hell, I’ve probably been minimum 60+ hours half the time since January working nights and coming in on weekends.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 9:12 am to BigPerm30
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When I took it there were only about 4 classes that were really challenging. The rest were very informative but not challenging.
The good thing about the CM classes is that most were very technical to the class subject. shite like building materials was more of an informative. But majority was putting into practice what actually happens.
One of my favorite classes some 20ish years ago was Mechanical/HVAC with Kinchen. I thought it was going to be boring, and the instructor walks in and starts barking at everyone. After the first 2 weeks, he tells us, "i know i've been a little tough on you so far. That was on purpose, to weed out anyone that didn't want to be here." That was the easiest class i think i took. Kinchen would mostly just tell us stories.
Well that and the CM version of statics where the professor gave us a practice test the week before the actual test, and allowed us to bring in any notes or books. The practice test was THE test.
This post was edited on 4/19/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 4/19/22 at 12:28 pm to Triggerr
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Honestly they should make it a 2 year program with a year of paid internship or something along those lines. It is a good program and if combined with the opportunity to apply what you are learning as you are learning it would be a lot better. The fact that universities have people doing 100-200 level courses is stupid, but I am also on a kick that I think these 4 year institutions are systematically screwing 95% of the students. 4 years may be needed for certain specialization or advanced studies, but outside of that it is pointless
I was in the first graduating class of the 2 year CM program at BRCC, and had intentions to go to LSU to finish my 4 year degree. I was contacted by a construction company about going to work instead of continuing school and decided to take the leap. I've been here ever since, going on 12 years. Best decision I ever made. I wholeheartedly believe that experience I gained working for this company for those 2 years was far greater than anything I would have gained by continuing to get my 4 year degree.
All this to say...I agree with your statement 100%.
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