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Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:38 pm to tduecen
I’m ok with requiring teachers to show growth compared to the previous year, but there needs to be a fixed formula and/or scale that is accessible by the teacher/public. The arbitrary scale that LEAP uses as well as the algorithm used to calculate VAM which no one can seem to figure out are not fair to teachers if you are going to tie their livelihood to that assessment.
And I’m social studies, so we do have a statewide curriculum. Are there some subjects that don’t?
And I’m social studies, so we do have a statewide curriculum. Are there some subjects that don’t?
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:38 pm to tduecen
Also, take away welfare from the able bodied.
Make people have to fight (care about school) to survive.
Make people have to fight (care about school) to survive.
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:39 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:Because quality teachers can close the gap rather than what they have now, which I believe is a joke
If you concede this, then why would paying teachers more help improve education?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:40 pm to tduecen
What makes a quality teacher?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:41 pm to Tunasntigers92
quote:Well for one you have 20-30 students, you will not have all of them on task, you will have some going through something at home, a classroom would be one that is engaging despite that. That the students are mostly participating, that students are interacting with each other and the teacher, that the teacher has control of the classroom.
This is totally objective, what should a “classroom” be like?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:41 pm to tduecen
Education only mirrors society.
You won't improve education without improving society.
It gets exacerbated with so many of the "good" kids going to private schools, weakening the overall potential of the public schools.
Until families put forth the effort to help their children by A. keeping two parents around B. pushing their children to succeed and C. quite laying blame on everyone else there is no hope.
You won't improve education without improving society.
It gets exacerbated with so many of the "good" kids going to private schools, weakening the overall potential of the public schools.
Until families put forth the effort to help their children by A. keeping two parents around B. pushing their children to succeed and C. quite laying blame on everyone else there is no hope.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:42 pm to iLikeMike
quote:I think showing through LEAP can show growth, I also think their are other options such as Moby Max or Success Maker to show growth
The arbitrary scale that LEAP uses as well as the algorithm used to calculate VAM which no one can seem to figure out are not fair to teachers if you are going to tie their livelihood to that assessment.
And I’m social studies, so we do have a statewide curriculum. Are there some subjects that don’t?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:43 pm to East Coast Band
quote:i'll disagree because a quality educator can improve their students
Education only mirrors society.
You won't improve education without improving society.
quote:families play a HUGE part but quality teachers can improve student scores as well and we've seen that
Until families put forth the effort to help their children by A. keeping two parents around B. pushing their children to succeed and C. quite laying blame on everyone else there is no hope.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:45 pm to tduecen
quote:
Because quality teachers can close the gap rather than what they have now, which I believe is a joke
Alright, then 2 points:
(1) The standard to become a teacher needs to be significantly raised and...
(2) The state better be prepared to pay a hell of a lot more money for the new standard of teachers.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:47 pm to tduecen
All of what you just listed...been listed...almost as if it is a BS constitutional butthole paper. But John White (who taught what? 4 years in classroom?) Has handcuffed state and EBR. Major setbacks with Bernard Taylor and his pathetic staff (fired in 2 other districts) prior to Warren Drake.
How do you improve EBR for instance?
-you get a federal grant of 10 mil to pay teachers, cops, and find educated and experienced of both previous mentioned. Work closely together. Someone starts a fight? Make him/her have to work arse off to get back? Otherwise...see ya. Then, cops can at least check in.
At age 15, for those who do not want college...train for labor work at specialized plants etc.
At age 21, if you are Male or female and have yet to work or get a GED, use an incentive program to accomodate.
And liberals bitch so much. All that shite is for them.
How do you improve EBR for instance?
-you get a federal grant of 10 mil to pay teachers, cops, and find educated and experienced of both previous mentioned. Work closely together. Someone starts a fight? Make him/her have to work arse off to get back? Otherwise...see ya. Then, cops can at least check in.
At age 15, for those who do not want college...train for labor work at specialized plants etc.
At age 21, if you are Male or female and have yet to work or get a GED, use an incentive program to accomodate.
And liberals bitch so much. All that shite is for them.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:47 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:I mentioned that in my OP
(1) The standard to become a teacher needs to be significantly raised and...
quote:I mentioned that as well
) The state better be prepared to pay a hell of a lot more money for the new standard of teachers.
I know the average salary for teachers in Louisiana is apparently 50k, however, that is top heavy and includes non-teaching positions which are the loopholes that districts use.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:49 pm to tduecen
quote:
i'll disagree because a quality educator can improve their students
An educator can only improve a student if that student wants to be improved.
I'm not saying it doens't matter how good an educator is, certainly a better one is better than a bad one, but still the student has to have the will to do better, and that mostly comes from a solid upbringing.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:51 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:is a total joke to be honest
John White
quote:I believe after 8th grade if a student is not reaching the level needed then they need to be in some technical school. That can be welding, construction, electrician, mechanic, etc... it would reduce the technical colleges in the state. Also, students would learn about the job their 9th and 10th grade year, intern their 11th and 12th grade year and then graduate as a certified person in their field.
At age 15, for those who do not want college...train for labor work at specialized plants etc.
quote:they would no longer require a GED as not all students would be required to graduate. Much like Europe students who fall into the technical aspect would be removed from the ACT and other testing as long as they earn their certification in their job field.
At age 21, if you are Male or female and have yet to work or get a GED, use an incentive program to accomodate.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:52 pm to East Coast Band
quote:Disagree, a real educator can inspire a student who doesn't care to actually care. Is it rare? Yes but it does happen and a quality teacher who is passionate about their field can inspire several students.
An educator can only improve a student if that student wants to be improved.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:56 pm to tduecen
I guess what I’m getting at, totally IMO, is that student success is largely dependent on parents & other social factors. To put it as simply as I can, for a lot of public school teachers you’re going to a duel, armed with a banana.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:58 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:I agree that parents are a HUGE factor, however, a quality educator can have a huge impact as well. The issue I feel is that in Louisiana the "education" degree is essentially a general studies degree and teachers are not passionate about their field. If a teacher doesn't care/understand about what they're teaching, why would a student?
I guess what I’m getting at, totally IMO, is that student success is largely dependent on parents & other social factors. To put it as simply as I can, for a lot of public school teachers you’re going to a duel, armed with a banana.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:15 pm to tduecen
only have to do one thing, well two really.
for grades 1-12 - get rid of teachers unions so if you arent a good teacher you get fired
for colleges - get rid of tenure at all colleges so if you arent a good teacher you get fired and fire all liberal and socialists teaching or giving any speeches there
for grades 1-12 - get rid of teachers unions so if you arent a good teacher you get fired
for colleges - get rid of tenure at all colleges so if you arent a good teacher you get fired and fire all liberal and socialists teaching or giving any speeches there
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:17 pm to keakar
quote:For the most part this has been done since unions are required for teachers to join
for grades 1-12 - get rid of teachers unions so if you arent a good teacher you get fired
quote:This has been done for most colleges
for colleges - get rid of tenure at all colleges so if you arent a good teacher you get fired and fire all liberal and socialists teaching or giving any speeches there
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:20 pm to tduecen
Have parents that actually give a shite about education?
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