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What are your thoughts on long toss drills in baseball? Overrated or helpful?
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:28 pm
I was searching online for a good long toss drill for my son and have read conflicting opinions about long toss drills. Some say it builds arm strength while some say it hurts the arm.
I was trying to find out distance intervals, how long to stay on each interval, when you know you have reached the furthest distance and when to stop.
I realize that these drills are tailored to each player, but I would like to get your opinions and see if anyone has a long toss routine to share.
This is for a 13 year old.
I was trying to find out distance intervals, how long to stay on each interval, when you know you have reached the furthest distance and when to stop.
I realize that these drills are tailored to each player, but I would like to get your opinions and see if anyone has a long toss routine to share.
This is for a 13 year old.
This post was edited on 8/13/15 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:31 pm to Chicken
What age are we talking here? That has a lot to do with it. The way I use to do long toss was I'd start them out pretty close, like half the distance between 1st & 2nd) and have them move back a bit every few minutes until they were about the same distance away from each other as the distance between 1st & 3rd bases.
This post was edited on 8/13/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:31 pm to Chicken
Helpful
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:31 pm to Chicken
We maxed out at around 45 yards. Let them start at around 20 then back up every 5 min or so. Once you reach desired distance have them start working their way back in to 5 yards.
The whole drill should only take 20 min.
The whole drill should only take 20 min.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:31 pm to Chicken
Every player is different, but when I started to long toss regularly is when my arm/shoulder started to hurt. Our coach made us warmup/long toss too long I think. I wasn't the only player whose shoulder started to hurt either.
I wouldn't go longer than 15-20 minutes.
I wouldn't go longer than 15-20 minutes.
This post was edited on 8/13/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:33 pm to Darth_Vader
this is for a 13 year old.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:33 pm to Lion8
quote:this is for the fall and winter...how often should you do it?
I wouldn't go longer than 15-20 minutes.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:34 pm to Chicken
It's good just don't overdo it.
Players these days have vagina arms. Back in my day, a pitcher threw 150 pitches every outing with no problems.
Players these days have vagina arms. Back in my day, a pitcher threw 150 pitches every outing with no problems.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:35 pm to Chicken
quote:
this is for a 13 year old.
OK, same age as my son now. I'd do like I described above. Start close, move them back about 5 yards at regular intervals every few minutes, and limit it to no more than 20 min total.
And before I did any of that, I'd have them stretch really good.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:36 pm to Chicken
As a player, I noticed a big difference in arm strength after coach starting doing long toss drills. I've never researched the negative effects this might have on young players, but I do know that Dr. Andrews and other surgeons often claim that injuries occur because of incorrect form over a long period of time, not because players were throwing too young. That may have been directed at curve balls, but I bet it still applies.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:38 pm to Chicken
As a high school coach, I do use a bit of long toss program. The key thing is not to forget that a good weight program plays just as big a part of building arm strength and is probably more important than long toss. Having a strong core, lower body, and strong shoulders plays more into arm strength.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:39 pm to Chicken
For fall and winter once a week is plenty
They can also do towel drills at the house.
They can also do towel drills at the house.
This post was edited on 8/13/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:39 pm to Chicken
quote:Part of my Tommy John surgery rehab included going only up to 120 feet. It helps to lengthen out all parts of the motion including legs, upper body and arm. It's not about distance or throwing as hard as you can but throwing through a target without getting a ton of height under the ball.
this is for a 13 year old.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:41 pm to Chicken
Jogging help also.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:42 pm to Chicken
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How often should you do it?
Twice a week probably wouldn't hurt just don't overdue it and make sure his mechanics stay good.
This post was edited on 8/13/15 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:44 pm to Chicken
He should be doing long toss 2-3 times a week. You want the motion to be fluid and don't overstrain. Throw it about 85% of your capacity.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:45 pm to Chicken
Stand on home plate and see who can throw it over the left field fence on a crow hop. Loser has to chase down all the balls.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 2:48 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:Their opinions have to do with quantity over quality. Kids playing all year long and throwing way more than they should. But they also understand that there has to be a strengthening period prior to seasons. And I think many people forget about this. Kids take off 3 or 4 months for football, then think they can just jump right into throwing a baseball as hard was they were at the end of the year prior. This mostly results in shoulder injuries. If he's 13 and not playing right now, he should be in a strength program with focus on shoulders 3 times a week (bands). He should only long toss once a week and light throwing on 2 other days working on mechanics only maxing out at 80%.
I do know that Dr. Andrews and other surgeons often claim that injuries occur because of incorrect form over a long period of time, not because players were throwing too young.
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