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re: West Memphis three
Posted on 5/24/23 at 12:44 pm to ExtraGravy
Posted on 5/24/23 at 12:44 pm to ExtraGravy
quote:After he was convicted, while he was being driven to jail, Jessie gave the police a very detailed description about how they held shirts to their mouths so they couldn't scream.
I'm not telling you that your view of the case is wrong. But "cellmate testifies that defendant confessed to him" is not very convincing. Fellow prisoners have a lot to gain by lying.
When asked how they kept the kids under control while they were being molested, before they were tied up, Jessie said "They were like little puppies. When you whoop a puppy and tell it to stay, it will." This is all in recorded statements.
Not a cellmate, the police who were driving him to jail.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:02 pm to JimNat
Terry Hobbs found out his wife has cheated on him with a Hispanic man either the day before, or that day and did not have an alibi for over an hour during the time the boys were being killed, and tried to get his neighbor to unknowingly give him an alibi.
Had the police investigated these murders without any bias, Terry Hobbs would have surely been put to death by now.
Had the police investigated these murders without any bias, Terry Hobbs would have surely been put to death by now.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:12 pm to ZenFNmaster
My last post on this is, what are the police supposed to do when someone comes in with a confession. Check their IQ score? What do you believe the median IQ score is in an Arkansas prison? Kid tells police story that is plausible involving friends with details that are relatively close. Police go get three kids. What would you want the police to do differently in that situation? I hope the local police would do the same thing every time that they did here. The legal stuff is something different, but the police stuff is very simple.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:17 pm to blueboy
quote:Yes, because of a scumbag DA.
To this day, they are convicted killers. They didn't get exonerated or pardoned. They signed an admission of guilt before being released.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:24 pm to Big Scrub TX
Last post on OT for many more years. I love the robots. I hope AI can be used to completely reconstruct the United States educational system because it is irreparable broken and now only appears to be attracting straight up hoes. Take care.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
I have followed this since the beginning, decades, and have no real strong opinions about who did it one way or the other. I’d lean towards none of the suspects doing it. My hunch has always been that it was a serial killer/ drifter who wandered in from the interstate, saw the boys and stalked them. It just seemed so audacious, like the killer had done it before.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:34 pm to Lsupimp
People never talk about the mysterious bloody black guy in these threads
Also, hear me out, the wm 3 AND the stepdad were involved
Also, hear me out, the wm 3 AND the stepdad were involved
Posted on 5/24/23 at 1:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
To this day, they are convicted killers. They didn't get exonerated or pardoned. They signed an admission of guilt before being released.
No shite. Sign today and get out now or wait years, and years, and years hoping for a change which may never come. What would you do?
State ain’t exactly looking to admit wrong and open up the checkbook
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:06 pm to danilo
quote:Anytime you see an Alford Plea, you can bet there's an unscrupulous DA driving it.
No shite. Sign today and get out now or wait years, and years, and years hoping for a change which may never come. What would you do?
State ain’t exactly looking to admit wrong and open up the checkbook
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:08 pm to danilo
quote:
State ain’t exactly looking to admit wrong and open up the checkbook

One of Jessie’s confession tapes begins with his lawyer asking him if he understood what he was doing and advising him not to do it.
A kid named Buddy Lucas said after the time the killings supposedly took place, a crying Jessie gave him the shoes he was wearing and told him he killed the kids.
Damien said he was on the phone talking to girls that night. The girls he said he was talking to said they tried to get ahold of him that night and couldn’t. After being confronted with this by police, Echols said he was out walking around the neighborhood.
Echols said he’s never been to the area where the bodies were found, which is a lie. The apartment he lived in with his birth parents was right next to it, less than 100 feet away. The crime scene tape was within a few feet of the entrance to the apartment complex.
There was also a witness who said she saw Echols and Baldwin by the side of the road right next to that location, in the time frame of the murders, with mud all over his clothes.
They confessed to people not just at the baseball game but also a roller rink where kids hung out. He told many people, and he didn’t just say ‘I killed them.’ He said he cut and molested them. There’s also a police phone recording of someone calling in, saying they did the murder, and hanging up. The voice sounds exactly like Echols.
He lied about why he changed his name to Damien. He does admit to doing Wiccan shite and being into the occult, because police found ‘spell’ books with pentagrams on them and books about human sacrifice in his room, but he claims he changed his name because he was super into Catholicism. After which, he immediately shifted to wiccans and human sacrifice?
After he failed his polygraph test, he was asked ‘what are you afraid of’ because he was noticeably frightened, to which he replied ‘the electric chair.’
He lied about being unaware of Allister Crowley’s work, but had written about him in his diary, and remarked about Crowley’s belief that children make for the best human sacrifices. Echols had even written Crowley’s name in some kind of rune code on a paper he was doodling in his jail cell, while he was awaiting trial.
Even in the documentary, at the end, after he’s been convicted, he bragged to cameras that he was going to ‘live forever’ and be the new ‘West Memphis boogeyman’ for kids in his area for years to come.
Not the reaction of a guy just ‘wrongly’ convicted of killing three little kids.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:45 pm to blueboy
Oh, and after he was convicted, because his lawyers wanted him spared from the death penalty, they brought up his prior stay at a mental institution in Oregon which again, he was put in because his family said they feared for their lives. His parents also told administrators that he and his friends were in some kind of a cult.
His psychiatric records were hundreds of pages long. The documents revealed that he started fires in school and threatened to put ‘hexes’ on school officials. He’d been in a standoff with police after running off with his underage girlfriend, during which he made death threats to police and the girl. The girls later said Echols told her he wanted to know what it was like to kill someone, and that he said he’d kill their unborn child of it was a girl.
Hospital officials also said he frequently hallucinated, saying he would ‘sniff the air around him’ and refuse to discuss why when asked about it. He also tried to suck the blood of other patients who’d cut themselves, while smearing it all over his body. They said he also constantly talked about satanism, and ‘wanted to go where the monsters go’ when he died. When asked if he thought he could end up being the next Ted Bundy, he said he would be famous one day.
When he got out, he immediately became violent with his family, and the police committed him AGAIN to a mental hospital, where he talked about drinking people’s blood to give him power. He also said he was possessed by the spirit of a murdered woman and her vengeance drove him.
After that, because he was now 18, his choice was to go live with his ex-stepfather, whom his mother divorced because he was molesting Damien’s sister. That’s who he chose to go live with, shortly before the WM murders.
BTW, he lived on disability at the time of the murders. He was on disability because, as it said on the disability form, he was ‘homicidal, suicidal, manic depression, schizophrenia, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sociopathic.'
But nah, it was bible-beating rednecks and their satanic panic. I wonder why the documentary film makers left all of that out.
His psychiatric records were hundreds of pages long. The documents revealed that he started fires in school and threatened to put ‘hexes’ on school officials. He’d been in a standoff with police after running off with his underage girlfriend, during which he made death threats to police and the girl. The girls later said Echols told her he wanted to know what it was like to kill someone, and that he said he’d kill their unborn child of it was a girl.
Hospital officials also said he frequently hallucinated, saying he would ‘sniff the air around him’ and refuse to discuss why when asked about it. He also tried to suck the blood of other patients who’d cut themselves, while smearing it all over his body. They said he also constantly talked about satanism, and ‘wanted to go where the monsters go’ when he died. When asked if he thought he could end up being the next Ted Bundy, he said he would be famous one day.
When he got out, he immediately became violent with his family, and the police committed him AGAIN to a mental hospital, where he talked about drinking people’s blood to give him power. He also said he was possessed by the spirit of a murdered woman and her vengeance drove him.
After that, because he was now 18, his choice was to go live with his ex-stepfather, whom his mother divorced because he was molesting Damien’s sister. That’s who he chose to go live with, shortly before the WM murders.
BTW, he lived on disability at the time of the murders. He was on disability because, as it said on the disability form, he was ‘homicidal, suicidal, manic depression, schizophrenia, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sociopathic.'
But nah, it was bible-beating rednecks and their satanic panic. I wonder why the documentary film makers left all of that out.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:05 pm to blueboy
quote:
If they had a case, they'd sue. I wonder why they don't
Because they accepted the deal: get out today and you won’t be able sue. If they are guilty then why did the state let murders out to prey on our children again?
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:27 pm to JimNat
Thanks for the replies. Serial killer is a good point. Misskelly confessed to friend that he and Echols had hurt some boys the day before. Got drunk on Evan Williams whiskey and threw it off bridge. His own lawyer found it next day. Said Moore boy tried to get away and he caught him. As stated he confessed on way to prison.
Why didn’t stepfather drown his stepson on a fishing trip instead of killing all three kids. Would have been hard for him to kill all three .
Anyway thanks guys
Why didn’t stepfather drown his stepson on a fishing trip instead of killing all three kids. Would have been hard for him to kill all three .
Anyway thanks guys
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:35 pm to danilo
They made that deal because of massive pressure from celebrities and people they'd been able to dupe with their documentary, as well as threats of endless legal actions.
The three were convicted twice, btw, initially and on appeal.
A better question is why would these filmmakers make a documentary claiming innocence for these three, while omitting everything I have said in this thread.
The three were convicted twice, btw, initially and on appeal.
A better question is why would these filmmakers make a documentary claiming innocence for these three, while omitting everything I have said in this thread.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:49 pm to blueboy
quote:
They made that deal because of massive pressure from celebrities and people they'd been able to dupe with their documentary, as well as threats of endless legal actions. The three were convicted twice, btw, initially and on appeal.
The state of Arkansas bows down to Hollywood pressure? Sad! They don’t deserve geauxjudge!
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:51 pm to monsterballads
You do know the bodies were under water for around 24 hours in a muddy ditch. Doubt you would find much dna.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:52 pm to ZenFNmaster
So his wife banged a Latin man and he raped and killed three boys because of this?
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:00 pm to blueboy
quote:
blueboy
You've been grinding on this my man.
Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:39 pm to blueboy
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If they had a case, they'd sue. I wonder why they don't. No, they're murderers.
The Alfred Plea was primarily to keep the state from facing any challenge of lawsuits from their case. Part of that agreement was that none of the three would be able to sue the state. I figured you'd know that.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 5:40 pm
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