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re: We're dropping bombs on Syria

Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:39 am to
Posted by Tigerpaw123
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:39 am to
so we fired almost 60 tomahawk missiles, which according to news reports is just about the max amount those 2 destroyers can carry, how long does it take to reload? surly they had a supply boat close by or at least on the way? but are we talking days or weeks?
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:39 am to
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Operators. Not infantry I don't believe.



We have special ops and Marines there including Rangers. Call them whatever you'd like, but that's boots on the ground
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:40 am to
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Geezus, people freaking the frick out over a targeted strike against a psychopath who uses chemicals on his own people. Brace yourselves, no doubt there are more to come, hopefully. ... Good thing some of you snowflakes weren't around when Reagan was; you'd have melted right out of existence. ... On second thought, born too late.


I have serious doubts there is "more to come"

You see last night's action as "something more than the previous impotent prez would do"

I see it as exactly what an impotent prez would do.

If you truly wanted to deter Assad from the use of chemical weapons, you need to hit him where it hurts. This was not it

I could not agree with your Reagan statement any more. Reagan is a great example of what to do in response to a dictator

When Libya sanctioned the bombing of Pan-Am Flight 103, Reagan ordered an airstrike that nearly killed Qaddafi. It destroyed Qaddafi's will to continue a course of international terrorism. He was quiet for the next 30 years until his death.

Hitting an airbase is not exactly an attention getter
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 8:42 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:43 am to
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so we fired almost 60 tomahawk missiles, which according to news reports is just about the max amount those 2 destroyers can carry, how long does it take to reload? surly they had a supply boat close by or at least on the way? but are we talking days or weeks?


Tomahawks can be loaded within a day if the supply ship is close by (which I am sure it is)

I also expect there are other naval assets in place.

One USN SSGN submarine launched NINETY Tomahawks against Libya during Arab Spring. I would be willing to bet my paycheck there is a SSGN lurking off the coast of Syria.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:46 am to
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If this is the only strike by the US, Assad should feel emboldened


Umm I can't imagine anyone would feel "emboldened" by the US launching tomahawks at their arse.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:46 am to
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I would be willing to bet my paycheck there is a SSGN lurking off the coast of Syria.




Uh huh
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 8:56 am to
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Umm I can't imagine anyone would feel "emboldened" by the US launching tomahawks at their arse.


Put yourself in the mind of a sociopath who has run a dictatorship for nearly his entire life. Soldiers and citizens are inconsequential and just a means to retain your power.

You launch a chemical weapons attack on these ingrateful traitorous fools who have risen up against you.

And the only thing that happens is you lose a couple planes that weren't flight worthy and 6 soldiers who weren't important enough to hide in the first place.



If you truly wanted to destroy this man's will to fight, you'd hit his command and control structures. Destroy his ability to direct his army and maintain his power. It is all about power for these guys.

If you can't kill the dictator, at least destroy a few of the places he stayed in (along with C&C) so that the dictator understands you know where he resides and can hit him at anytime. Let him know there is a proverbial pistol pointed at his head so he better not frick up again or the trigger will be pulled.
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 8:57 am
Posted by mpar98
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:01 am to
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If you truly wanted to destroy this man's will to fight,


That's what you're missing...this was just a warning shot against using chemical weapons
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:10 am to
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That's what you're missing...this was just a warning shot against using chemical weapons


I get it...

I'm just tired of "warning shots" being fired. Assad has used chemical weapons with near impunity for almost 4 years.

Obama lacked the balls to strike Syrian gov't forces in 2013 for using chemical weapons. Obama asked congress for authorization and they heavily opposed/criticised him.

Obama should have stood up to the critics and hit Syria anyway. that's what a strong leader would have done.

I applaud Trump for hitting the Syrian gov't forces, I just wish it would have been more forceful. I also like that Trump did not ask for permission first.
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 9:51 am
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:17 am to
Consider hittin the chemical weapons sites, what will happen when the chemicals are released? The method of release needs to be wiped out. I think this last release was by air.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:18 am to
get rid of assad and you have an even bigger shite storm on your hands.
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:20 am to
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Consider hittin the chemical weapons sites, what will happen when the chemicals are released?


That's not how it works...explosions like that evaporate the toxins, not disperse them.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37431 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:23 am to
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get rid of assad and you have an even bigger shite storm on your hands.



i agree with you in theory regarding regime change, but how much worse would it actually be in this case? Things in Syria could hardly be any worse than they are now. It's utterly apocalyptic.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:26 am to
Bombs over D'mascus
Bombs over D'mascus
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:27 am to
you have two choices. secular dictatorship or eventual theocracy. i'll take the dictator.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:30 am to
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but how much worse would it actually be in this case?


Would you consider Libya to be in better or worse shape since our intervention?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37431 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:34 am to
False equivalency. Libya had some degree of stability before we helped foment the insurrection against Gaddafi. We're talking about Syria right now with Assad still in power. The vaccuum would be if he was taken out or forced out. Right now, with Assad in power(nominally), it is apocalyptic chaos. Hundreds of thousands killed.

I'm not advocating we take out Assad but I really don't see how he'll remain in power after this.
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 9:39 am
Posted by Chitter Chatter
In and Out of Consciousness
Member since Sep 2009
4664 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:35 am to
Iraq probably would be more stable with Saddam still there but under our thumb.

And I believe we have a base in Greece that has missiles stored there.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:37 am to
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agree with you in theory regarding regime change, but how much worse would it actually be in this case? Things in Syria could hardly be any worse than they are now. It's utterly apocalyptic.


They can be far worse
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:39 am to
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'anti western sentiments' are "galvanized" regardless of 'our actions.' It didn't turn out so well for us that the previous impotent 'president' catered to that bullshite.


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