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Wearing coats over FR clothing
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:51 pm
The way I read the various guidelines it appears that an FR coat should be worn over other FR clothing in a gaseous environment potentially between the LEL and UEL.
I am getting sent out in the oil field this weekend for consulting, and the temperatures are looking pretty cold. My project manager, who I generally trust his opinion, insists that we are fine in a regular coat over our FRC's.
While the likelihood of a flash fire at these sites is low, I am still concerned about not being provided with the proper gear.
Would a heavy cotton or wool jacket be ok?
I am getting sent out in the oil field this weekend for consulting, and the temperatures are looking pretty cold. My project manager, who I generally trust his opinion, insists that we are fine in a regular coat over our FRC's.
While the likelihood of a flash fire at these sites is low, I am still concerned about not being provided with the proper gear.
Would a heavy cotton or wool jacket be ok?
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:55 pm to Bmath
If said extremely unlikely fire occurs you're fricked either way.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:57 pm to Javzz
In the Bakken we werent allowed on site if our outer coats were not FR. That being said I dont think it would be a big difference if you have FRs under it. How close to the well head will you be? I personally was more concerned about being around the sand kings without a mask than a fire.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:57 pm to Bmath
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While the likelihood of a flash fire at these sites is low, I am still concerned about not being provided with the proper gear.
Would a heavy cotton or wool jacket be ok?
Well, technically no. If you are concerned that you don't have the proper PPE to walk through a plant, then your employer should provide it to you. If you have the means to just expense an FRP coat, just go get one.
If not, then you are perfectly safe. The cotton or wool jacket is not going to keep you safe from a gas ignition, but the FRP overalls aren't exactly perfect in that regard either.
BTW - did you know that you are supposed to wear cotton under the FRP? Most people don't. But if you are caught in a fire, the FRP can get hot enough to melt to your skin if in direct contact. End PSM.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:08 pm to jrodLSUke
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BTW - did you know that you are supposed to wear cotton under the FRP?
Well aware of this rule. One of my guys was not too happy over the summer when I told him that he couldn't wear his Under Armor briefs. This is actually what got me thinking about needing an FR coat.
We will be close enough to touch, and will even briefly have to touch the well head. Most of my work out there is data collection for a GHG inventory project. So I'm not particularly worried about causing the ignition myself.
I guess partly my concern isn't as much of a safety concern as it is with not being in compliance with the client. Then again, I don't really want to be dead wrong either.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:22 pm to Bmath
I think that the outer most layer needs to be FR... so if you are wearing a jacket, it needs to be FR. My experience is from refinery setting, not a rig so take it FWIW.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:30 pm to Bmath
Everywhere I've worked was only concerned with the outer layer being FRC. If they're strict the cotton or wool jacket won't fly. FTR I've never had my clothes underneath checked.
What oil Co.? I'm currently in the Bakken and we don't have any FRC requirements on any of our locations.
Inb4Oilfieldtrash.
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In the Bakken we werent allowed on site if our outer coats were not FR. That being said I dont think it would be a big difference if you have FRs under it. How close to the well head will you be? I personally was more concerned about being around the sand kings without a mask than a fire.
What oil Co.? I'm currently in the Bakken and we don't have any FRC requirements on any of our locations.
Inb4Oilfieldtrash.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:57 pm to Real Pirate
I work for a major oil company in HES. Our requirements are the outer layer must be FR which reflects the OSHA interpretation and the current API standard. I suggest either purchasing a FR coat or wearing several layers under your FR. If you are doing the later, I hope you bought coveralls that are to big.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:06 pm to LSUPat
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I work for a major oil company in HES. Our requirements are the outer layer must be FR which reflects the OSHA interpretation and the current API standard. I suggest either purchasing a FR coat or wearing several layers under your FR. If you are doing the later, I hope you bought coveralls that are to big.
Yea, we all have FR shirts and jeans. Not really any room for layering.
I don't have a great background in OSHA, which is why I am wondering.
One of our clients has had an issue with a flash fire being started by a trunk pumping into the storage tank instead of sucking out.
It pushed a gas cloud over to one of the compressors which ignighted and burned a technician. That is the kind of stuff that concerns me.
I'll try and dig a bit more to find the OSHA and API standards to discuss with my boss.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:17 pm to TheDoc
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The outermost layer of clothing must always be flame resistant. LINK
Excellent. Thank you!
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:19 pm to Bmath
Most places have a strict policy against a regular coat over FRC.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:59 pm to Bmath
Lots wrong with this.
Are you actually worried about your health or the rules of your workplace?
If health, that piece of shite FRC isn't going to save you. I've heard that after its washed one time with fabric softener it's no longer FR. Just what I've heard. I personally don't think the shite is FR after you wash it a couple times no matter what. JMO.
If work site rules, most places that require FRC require that FRC be the outer most clothing.
Are you actually worried about your health or the rules of your workplace?
If health, that piece of shite FRC isn't going to save you. I've heard that after its washed one time with fabric softener it's no longer FR. Just what I've heard. I personally don't think the shite is FR after you wash it a couple times no matter what. JMO.
If work site rules, most places that require FRC require that FRC be the outer most clothing.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:34 pm to chalupa
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Are you actually worried about your health or the rules of your workplace?
Both. Frankly I can always ask the client about their rules. When we worked for them in the summer they stated that they required FR, but they didn't cover this level of detail.
I understand that PPE is to be used as a last line of protection, and that my year old FR clothes may do little to protect me in the event of a fire. However, I don't want to be out there in something that could make things worse.
My first pass of digging through the regs mostly talked about what FR is, why you should wear it, and how it works. The stuff I already new.
Thankfully the OT can often be better than a Google search due to the expertise of many of the posters.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:36 pm to Bmath
All of your outermost layers are supposed to be FR for it to work properly. FRC is to protect from flash fire, not from being wrapped in a burning coat.
That said, There's no way in hell I wouldn't wear a jacket.
That said, There's no way in hell I wouldn't wear a jacket.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:51 pm to Bmath
Although they will probably let you slide if you're not going to be out there that long, you really should get an fr coat as it is required. I can personally recommend the navy blue bulwark fr coat. I borrowed one from my gf's dad when it got super cold a couple weeks ago and it saved my life.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:00 pm to kingbob
Unfortunately I got word this morning to be ready to go on Thursday morning. I think the Academy here in town only sells the Carhartt FR hoodie which doesn't look very warm.
Perhaps i can ask around about an oil field supply store tomorrow.
Perhaps i can ask around about an oil field supply store tomorrow.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:03 pm to Bmath
Outer garment must be FR ? Many choices to choose from. If it's not clearly labeled FR and NFPA 2112 Compliant you are in serious violation.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:05 pm to Bmath
If you're serious about doing it right, the easiest thing to do might be get your hands on a massive FRC shirt and wear that over your jacket.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:26 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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If you're serious about doing it right, the easiest thing to do might be get your hands on a massive FRC shirt and wear that over your jacket.
Apparently they make disposable FR coveralls. I could just get one of those and wear a super thick cotton or wool jacket underneath. This would keep me compliant.
I am mostly annoyed that I was concerned about this last winter, but my PM kept saying that we were fine. Never really had much of a reason for concern as I have usually been able to avoid needing FR on cold days. It really opened my eyes to needing it after we had a client have an incident at a site I frequent every month.
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