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re: Watched JFK last night
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:06 am to TigerPanzer
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:06 am to TigerPanzer
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HOWEVER … has anyone considered the possibility that two gunmen UNBEKNOWN TO EACH OTHER … zeroed in on Kennedy and Connally from different vantage points? Me personally, I consider this quite unlikely, but still more plausible than any conspiracy theory I've encountered.
That would be a coincidence, not a conspiracy. For it to be a conspiracy, at least two persons would have to be working in concert.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:11 am to REG861
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the best explanation for Oswald's motivations and the lone gunman theory that I've read is a book called Brothers in Arms.. highly recommended.
I've not read the book, but I hope it points out that, among Oswald's motivations, is the fact that his reduction in discharge status from the Marines was signed by the then-Secretary of Navy … John Connally.
Kennedy the Castro hater and Connally, the man who denied Oswald's honorable discharge from the Marines … see any motivation here for LHO?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:11 am to GetCocky11
I just want to know was Barry Seal really waiting at the airport to fly the get away plane ?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:13 am to SabiDojo
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My high school history teacher was in that movie. Not a big part, of course. He had one line.
Even one line is pretty important. You can join SAG
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:13 am to therick711
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That would be a coincidence, not a conspiracy.
My point exactly.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:14 am to TH03
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Even one line is pretty important. You can join SAG
Don't you mean F.A.G.?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:15 am to SabiDojo
Arec bardwrin
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:15 am to TigerPanzer
Sure. My point was it isn't a conspiracy theory, because it isn't a conspiracy. 
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:16 am to TH03
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:50 am to Happygilmore
I used to think that Oswald masterminded this and acted alone. After doing more research on the subject, there are way too many people linked together for me to believe that a group of people didn't set this up.
One example:
David Ferrie was linked to Oswald, but he claimed he never met him. Oswald was a part of the Civil Air Patrol in NOLA under David Ferrie! And who created the Civil Air Patrol in 1941? D. Harold Byrd who just happened to own the Texas School Book Depository building.
He invest BIG into LTV in Nov of 63. (Ling-Temco-Vought)
After becoming a director of LTV and buying, along with Ling, 132,000 shares in early November 1963, Byrd left the country to go on a 2-month safari in central Africa, returning in January 1964 to find his good friend Lyndon Johnson president of the United States, his Texas School Book Depository building famous, and a large defense contract awarded to LTV in February to build A-7 Corsair II fighter planes, slated to be paid for out of the 1965 budget which had not yet been approved by Congress.
That's just one of many links.
One example:
David Ferrie was linked to Oswald, but he claimed he never met him. Oswald was a part of the Civil Air Patrol in NOLA under David Ferrie! And who created the Civil Air Patrol in 1941? D. Harold Byrd who just happened to own the Texas School Book Depository building.
He invest BIG into LTV in Nov of 63. (Ling-Temco-Vought)
After becoming a director of LTV and buying, along with Ling, 132,000 shares in early November 1963, Byrd left the country to go on a 2-month safari in central Africa, returning in January 1964 to find his good friend Lyndon Johnson president of the United States, his Texas School Book Depository building famous, and a large defense contract awarded to LTV in February to build A-7 Corsair II fighter planes, slated to be paid for out of the 1965 budget which had not yet been approved by Congress.
That's just one of many links.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:17 pm to moon
Oswald was the lone shooter. Having been there and stood in that window I can tell you that it was an easy shot for anyone with moderate firearms training. The scale you perceive from video and pictures of the scene is way off. It's a much smaller area than you think. He also had a perfect vantage point.
That said, there's waaaaaaay too many oddities about Lee and connections to intelligence services to believe he wasn't put up to it and was just a nut.
A 19 year old with an 8th grade education defects to the Soviet Union and shows up speaking and reading Russian. Well enough that his would-be wife thought he was not a native but most likely from Latvia or Estonia. And then when he becomes "disillusioned" the US State Department gives him a grant to afford to fly back home. And he did this while still in the service but wasn't tried for desertion or as a traitor despite telling American authorities in Moscow that he planned to give the Soviets what secrets he knew about the U2's radar signature. None of that makes sense. Multiple, huge problems with that story. How'd he learn fluent Russian? Why on earth would our own government pay his way home? Why wasn't he prosecuted? His defection was in the NYT. It wasn't a huge national scandal at the time, but it was publicized.
He ran a pro-communist political organization, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which he was the ONLY MEMBER, out of the same small New Orleans office building as Guy Bannister, a right wing radical anti-communist and former FBI agent and rumored CIA associate. That doesn't add up, does it?
His only friend in Dallas was George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA associate and wealthy White Russian (the enemy of the communist Bolsheviks Lee admired). Kind of strange bedfellows, wouldn't you say?
It's all too much to believe he's just some loser acting on his own. The dude was tied to multiple CIA affiliates and ran some sort of intelligence game by going to Russia. Add in his being raised poor by a single mother in a time when that was rare, moving around the country constantly as a kid, precociousness mixed with some kind of defiant streak or learning disability, brothers all in the military, and you have the perfect makings of the kind of person the CIA targeted to do work for them.
That said, there's waaaaaaay too many oddities about Lee and connections to intelligence services to believe he wasn't put up to it and was just a nut.
A 19 year old with an 8th grade education defects to the Soviet Union and shows up speaking and reading Russian. Well enough that his would-be wife thought he was not a native but most likely from Latvia or Estonia. And then when he becomes "disillusioned" the US State Department gives him a grant to afford to fly back home. And he did this while still in the service but wasn't tried for desertion or as a traitor despite telling American authorities in Moscow that he planned to give the Soviets what secrets he knew about the U2's radar signature. None of that makes sense. Multiple, huge problems with that story. How'd he learn fluent Russian? Why on earth would our own government pay his way home? Why wasn't he prosecuted? His defection was in the NYT. It wasn't a huge national scandal at the time, but it was publicized.
He ran a pro-communist political organization, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which he was the ONLY MEMBER, out of the same small New Orleans office building as Guy Bannister, a right wing radical anti-communist and former FBI agent and rumored CIA associate. That doesn't add up, does it?
His only friend in Dallas was George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA associate and wealthy White Russian (the enemy of the communist Bolsheviks Lee admired). Kind of strange bedfellows, wouldn't you say?
It's all too much to believe he's just some loser acting on his own. The dude was tied to multiple CIA affiliates and ran some sort of intelligence game by going to Russia. Add in his being raised poor by a single mother in a time when that was rare, moving around the country constantly as a kid, precociousness mixed with some kind of defiant streak or learning disability, brothers all in the military, and you have the perfect makings of the kind of person the CIA targeted to do work for them.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:23 pm to Happygilmore
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I know Oliver Stone had some liberties with making the movie, but it is still very interesting.
That's quite the understatement. The movie is fantastic. I enjoy it from a pure fictional entertainment stand point. It is completely biased and historically inaccurate.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:24 pm to Happygilmore
2nd floor of the Dal-Tex Building
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:29 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Oswald was the lone shooter. Having been there and stood in that window I can tell you that it was an easy shot for anyone with moderate firearms training. The scale you perceive from video and pictures of the scene is way off. It's a much smaller area than you think. He also had a perfect vantage point.
That said, there's waaaaaaay too many oddities about Lee and connections to intelligence services to believe he wasn't put up to it and was just a nut.
A 19 year old with an 8th grade education defects to the Soviet Union and shows up speaking and reading Russian. Well enough that his would-be wife thought he was not a native but most likely from Latvia or Estonia. And then when he becomes "disillusioned" the US State Department gives him a grant to afford to fly back home. And he did this while still in the service but wasn't tried for desertion or as a traitor despite telling American authorities in Moscow that he planned to give the Soviets what secrets he knew about the U2's radar signature. None of that makes sense. Multiple, huge problems with that story. How'd he learn fluent Russian? Why on earth would our own government pay his way home? Why wasn't he prosecuted? His defection was in the NYT. It wasn't a huge national scandal at the time, but it was publicized.
He ran a pro-communist political organization, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which he was the ONLY MEMBER, out of the same small New Orleans office building as Guy Bannister, a right wing radical anti-communist and former FBI agent and rumored CIA associate. That doesn't add up, does it?
His only friend in Dallas was George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA associate and wealthy White Russian (the enemy of the communist Bolsheviks Lee admired). Kind of strange bedfellows, wouldn't you say?
It's all too much to believe he's just some loser acting on his own. The dude was tied to multiple CIA affiliates and ran some sort of intelligence game by going to Russia. Add in his being raised poor by a single mother in a time when that was rare, moving around the country constantly as a kid, precociousness mixed with some kind of defiant streak or learning disability, brothers all in the military, and you have the perfect makings of the kind of person the CIA targeted to do work for them.
I agree!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:30 pm to Happygilmore
I grew up around and went to elementary school with Garrison's kids but never made the connection until High School.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:31 pm to dr smartass phd
Being shot from the back & to the right does not equal Kennedy's head going back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:45 pm to Wtodd
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It's unfortunate that many people will come to this conclusion based on a movie
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Raughtt than lef, raught then left
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back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left
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based on a movie
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:53 pm to moon
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I agree!
Movie JFK was total fiction. 95% of it was a figment of producer/director's imagination.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:06 pm to Cooter Davenport
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It's all too much to believe he's just some loser acting on his own.
Agreed, it's hard to conceive of a U.S. government so inept, blind and clueless that it couldn't sniff out a large conspiracy, especially one within its own intelligence agency, before the event took place.
Oh, by the way, what is tomorrow?
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