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re: Watch People: is this Rolex worth the price?

Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:38 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:38 pm to
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It’s very stupid to buy a watch for the strap that it’s on.


I would be very reluctant to buy any Rolex without the bracelet with the rare exception and of course, the ones that did not come with a bracelet.

That being said I have actually bought watches because they were the perfect watch to wear a certain strap. I will also say the 15010 with the smooth bezel is a great blank canvas to wear a variety of straps with. It also has a 3035 movement which taken care of will be running in the next century. 28.8k BPH, Breguet overcoil, and Microstella regulating system make for a great movement and just about any watchmaker can service it in their sleep.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:43 pm to
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3k is on the cheap side for a stainless-steel oyster date-just


Technically it is not a Datejust, it is an Oyster Perpetual Date. The DJ of the time was a 36mm watch with a 160XX reference number.
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
9721 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:05 pm to
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IcantBelieveItsNotBu


If you got fooled by margarine masquerading as butter, I don't think you should be considering watches that are frequently counterfeited. I'd stick with a Timex, a Casio, or an Armitron in your case.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:16 pm to
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Well good thing you don’t have to worry about ever being able to afford it in reality. No class trash.


I could afford one if I wanted one. I don’t wear watches, because I have a phone boomer
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9710 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:20 pm to
Have owned a couple rolexes since the mid 80's.

couple thoughts

they really do not appreciate in value, govt savings bond does better

every three or four years, they need a factory oil change. about 500 dollars

Use of an after market repair shop locks you out of future Rolex maintenance

Stem screw issues have been an issue that even the Rolex folks failed to fix

Used to be able to buy Rolex fakes In the Middle East battery driven that at a glance were close enough to fool common people. priced from 20-35 dollars. Bought them based on weight. All of my family folks would get one at Christmas.

With my real two, I would take to a respected watch repair man with out Rolex endorsement
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:31 pm to
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I don’t wear watches, because I have a phone


The smartphone argument is based on faulty logic. A better argument is that in the modern world you are surrounded by time displays almost all the time.

The reason smartphones are ubiquitous is because they are more efficient than almost every item they replace. Need a camera? You have it in your pocket. Need a compass? You have one in your pocket. Need an SPL meter, vibration sensor, or spectrum analyzer? If you want it you can have it in your pocket too. It is far more efficient to pull your phone out than go to some drawer and pul out one of these items. A watch on your wrist is far more efficient than even grabbing your phone off the desk and tilting it to see the time. it is a quick flip of the wrist even with your hands full, or covered in mud, oil, or crawfish detritus.

Watches are a more efficient tool for the job, the more you care about time the more useful they are. Besides being a hobby of mine my work revolves around time in 6-minute intervals a phone is less efficient for me.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:36 pm to
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they really do not appreciate in value, govt savings bond does better


False, for many of their watches. I have made in the upper 6 figures from Rolex I have sold. Again I do not recommend them as investments but (certain) watches are items you can use everyday and they still appreciate.

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every three or four years, they need a factory oil change. about 500 dollars


False with a fair number of caveats

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Use of an after market repair shop locks you out of future Rolex maintenance


False again with some caveats

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Stem screw issues have been an issue that even the Rolex folks failed to fix


Let's hear about this

Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33925 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:44 pm to
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That’s a tiny little watch.


Don't know why you got downvoted.

34mm is women's sizing.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45188 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:23 pm to
Hey man any idea what a patek calatavara is worth? Looks like this. I have the box and no papers

Posted by TexasTiger33
United States of America
Member since Feb 2022
14799 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:26 pm to
That is a very nice timepiece.
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
4529 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:36 pm to
How long have you been out here?
Surfing Instructor : I don't know, I quit wearing a watch when I moved out here
Peter Bretter : That is so cool
Surfing Instructor : My cell phone has a clock so I don't need it
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12542 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:38 pm to
Couldn’t imagine buying a Rolex and then putting that ugly arse band on it.
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2963 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:41 pm to
You know you can put a purple band on any watch, buy what you like, don’t listen to the haters
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9710 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:48 pm to
sounds like a Lolex dealer. All unstated caveats . Probably has a cheap seat at the F 1 road racing
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:53 pm to
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Hey man any idea what a patek calatavara is worth?


Really hard to say without at least knowing the reference. The one you showed is a 5227 which has only been out for about 10 years and unlikely to find one for much less than $30,000. Calatravas can go as cheap as $5k in working order to the better part of $100k.

Note the 5227 is a 39mm watch in general the smaller they are the less they command. A lot of the older less expensive ones are 34.5mm. I am not a vintage Calatrava expert by any means but does yours have a date, I don't ever remember seeing older Calatravas with dates.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45188 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:09 pm to


Mine has the date and looks to be a 39mm

Here it is:



Now that I'm looking at it, maybe it's the 36mm? It's the 5517R
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:14 pm
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10369 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:40 pm to
I’m guessing that the obstruction of the letter E in Rolex is from a scratch in the acrylic crystal but I would make sure that is not on the dial. Hard to tell from low quality image.



That’s high for what it is. Ones with a Rolex bracelet and box sell for that.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:54 pm to
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5517R


5117? That is a classic hobnail Calatrava. I think that one is 37mm. Without looking I would think they would run from $18k-22K. Without box and papers I would think 18-19k. Nice watch but I like the smooth bezel Calatravas with indices and not numbers but yours is one that a lot of people think of as the quintessential vintage Calatrava. They still make a hobnail bezel (aka Clous de Paris) IIRC it is the 6119 and is 39mm, has indices and a sub-second dial @6.

Very nice watch.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:06 pm to
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sounds like a Lolex dealer. All unstated caveats .


Let look are your service interval of 3-4 years. A 3x35 can easily go 8 years and current models the recommended service interval is 10 years. There are caveats like if you use your Sub/SD/DSSD as a frequent salt-water dive watch then it needs some service much more frequently. I have a 3135 that is at 10 years and still has near-perfect amplitude, no beat error and running +2 SPD.

Indy service does not preclude getting it serviced at an RSC unless they put in non-Rolex parts.

What is this stem issue you are talking about.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45188 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:08 pm to
You da man...thanks a lot
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