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Was the Metaurus the key battle of 2nd Punic War?

Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:54 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:54 pm
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Posted by ChatGPT of LA
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:00 am to
No one gives a frick, nerd
Posted by WAR TIGER
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:52 am to
No, actually. Do your research
Posted by Sisyphus
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:57 am to
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Was the Metaurus the key battle of 2nd Punic War?


Just finish Punic Nightmares?
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:00 am to
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Just finish Punic Nightmares?



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Sisyphus



Greeks are over in the Peloponnesian thread, buddy.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:52 am to
That's what my old man used to always say when he was drinking.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:54 am to
Someone’s drunk fo sho
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:52 am to
Do you seriously not have ChatGPT?
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:33 am to
Why the hell would I use that?

I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:38 am to
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I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.


Fair enough, but Zama was so definitive. The myth of Hannibal was finally killed in the Roman psychology.

Recall that Cannae was the most damaging thing to the Roman psyche since 390 B.C. It can be argued that the Republic never fully recovered from it and its response led to the Empire.
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:42 am to
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I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.


Metaurus broke Carthage’s resolve to reinforce Hannibal. It pretty much ended his campaigning in Italy. They cut off Hasdrubal head and send it to Hannibal.

Zama was the final blow.

Unfortunately for Claudius Nero, Scorpio Africanus lead Rome to victory and was an incredible self promoter. That’s why we remember him and his victories more than Claudius Nero at Metaurus.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:42 am to
A strong argument could be made one way or the other.
Posted by SingleMalt1973
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:56 am to
I tore my Metaurus once, hurt like hell
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:57 am to
And, Hasdrubal was leading at Metaurus, so the defeat was of "a" lion, but not "the" lion. Again, collective psychology explains a lot of the Republic period.
Posted by ReedRothchild07
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 7:15 am to
The Battle of Metaurus combined with the morale effects from the Fabian Plan over the prior 15 years definitely was a turning point.

It’s crazy to think about Hannibal roaming the Italian countryside for 15 years, sacking cities only to lose them a few months later when he moved on, until Scipio Africanus made enough trouble outside of Italy.

The larger than life reputations of Hannibal and Scipio Africanus during the 2nd Punic War are fascinating.
Posted by donut
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:02 am to
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Was the Metaurus the key battle of 2nd Punic War?


The key battle? No

A key battle? Yes
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:16 am to
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until Scipio Africanus made enough trouble outside of Italy.


I think it was Maury’s that finally snapped the Romans out of entire fear. With Hasdrubal gone, Hannibal was alone. That’s when the plan to attack Carthage started being formulated. It forced Hannibal back on his own turf in defense instead of smashing around Italy.
Posted by StrongOffer
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:44 am to
Maybe they should lift weights and they wouldn’t be so punic
Posted by wileyjones
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:58 am to
cannae is the most devastating battle of all time, let alone in the war

if you scale the populations to today, it'd be like the US having 5 million young men killed in a single day
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 10:02 am to
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cannae is the most devastating battle of all time, let alone in the war

if you scale the populations to today, it'd be like the US having 5 million young men killed in a single day


And people tend to make the mistake of viewing Rome as kind of clinical and sterile. We see their engineering projects, the evidence of their empire's accomplishments that last to this day and forget they were hot blooded folks of the Italian peninsula. Cato the Elder was highly respected and probably the #1 advocate for the utter elimination of Carthage - "Carthago delenda est".
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