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re: Was the gold standard a good or bad economic practice?

Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:54 pm to
Looks like we had plenty of inflation before the end of Bretton Woods.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:32 pm to
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Was the gold standard a good or bad economic practice?
The problem was the gold supply was fairly fixed. Economic output in productive economies outstripped specie reserves. More people produced more stuff, but with slower growth of the gold supply, prices and salaries had to decline.

In terms of trade, specie-flow mechanisms led to restrictive tariffs. Specie outflow is the outflow of gold/silver in a country experiencing trade deficits. Money supply (tied to specie) in the affected country contracted accordingly, worsening deflation.

Workers tended to object to repeated salary cuts (even though they were often proportional to declining cost of goods)
Posted by Richard Grayson
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:35 pm to
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Having your currency backed to something tangible is always a good economic practice....you know, instead of just creating it out of thin air like we do now...




Our current currency is backed by our military, influence, and economy. The last 20 years we have fricked both of those up increasingly worse every year.
Posted by RolltidePA
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:46 pm to
Fiat currencies typically have a viable lifespan of 30 years until inflation and instability destroy it. We’re on year 52 of being a fiat currency, how has it gone since 2001?

It obviously more complex, but the government creates inflation, as they are the only ones that can create money. More government spending and printing of money without a viable control in place isn’t a great thing.

Others have mentioned trade deficits and other factors that weight on a commodity backed currency. The hard barrier being removed for government to simply print money to cover whatever they want was a wet dream for politicians. Consequences be damned.
Posted by G Khan
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:30 pm to
Interesting topic...
Posted by stuntman
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:33 pm to
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Our economy as well as the global economy would be a fraction of what it is today if we remained on the gold standard.



How do you figure?
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:39 pm to
Do you care about how many dollars you have or what you can buy with a dollar?
Posted by BlueRunner
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 5:53 pm to
Having the dollar backed by something, gold, is far vastly superior to the fiat monetary system where you can print out more and more money to further devalue the current money supply.

The creation of the Fed has led to the collapse of the US, but those who created the Fed, are benefiting from it as intended.
Posted by BoardReader
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 6:25 pm to
Its a mixed bag. It has upside and it has downside.

Anyone selling 'Its 100% evil' or 'its the best thing ever', is shitting out of their mouths.
Posted by LSUcam7
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 6:51 pm to
Well I came from nothing. Because I’m fortunate enough to live in this country I’ve been able to acquire something.

So thinking linearly; if taking the dollar off the gold standard allowed for more robust growth and a broader quality standard of living for Americans.. then I’ve gotta say the pros outweighed the cons.

Now if we could just get some true fiscal conservatism going in DC…
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:00 pm to
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What a great scene. Really spot on too


Very underrated movie. Well acted too.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:12 pm to
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Was the gold standard a good or bad economic practice?
Constitutional Money
This is a good start for a genuine conversation.
Posted by BlueRunner
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:23 am to
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Anyone selling 'Its 100% evil' or 'its the best thing ever', is shitting out of their mouths.

The FED that is not part of our govt, isn't evil? The fed is evil and nothing but corrupt crooks. You think the FED is here to help the working people, the 99% (the poors)?

What good do they do?
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:01 am to
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Depends entirely on what your end goal is. Under the philosophy of limitless growth and using our currency as a weapon geopolitically, the gold standard was limiting.

This is all true.

It also allows for indirect taxation through inflation as a result of the overprinting of fiat currency.

A) Government gets money for their various debacles.
B) Politicians get re-elected because they don’t increase taxes.
C) People get screwed because their money doesn’t go as far and aren’t smart enough to connect A -> B -> C

For example from from 2000 to 2023 the value of your dollar decreased by 76%. In other words in order to buy something that was worth $100 in 2000 today you would need $176.

US Inflation Calculator
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 7:03 am
Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:06 am to
All countries in history that were on the gold standard, failed.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:09 am to
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People get screwed because their money doesn’t go as far and aren’t smart enough to connect A -> B -> C


Federal Reserve is literally fricking everyone and no one says anything. Some tranny gets his face in a Bud Lite can and it’s the end of the world. We are doomed.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:10 pm to
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Fiat currencies typically have a viable lifespan of 30 years until inflation and instability destroy it.


A meme-myth.

The guy who spread it looked at 600 or so currencies for his average, yes…..but arrived at that list by ignoring any of the 176 currencies that still existed. Also, the reason for the drop of currency on his list was mostly not for economic reasons or something you can call a “failure” of the coin.

If a country is invaded and taken over, with its coin and government replaced by the invaders….did the currency “fail?”
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:19 pm to
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How do you figure?



The purchasing power of the US economy has grown exponentially. Unless you are an alchemist, the amount of gold has remained the same.

That’s it’s appeal right? Commodity cycles aside, it’s long term static purchasing power.

Posted by RolltidePA
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:08 pm to
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A meme-myth.

The guy who spread it looked at 600 or so currencies for his average, yes…..but arrived at that list by ignoring any of the 176 currencies that still existed. Also, the reason for the drop of currency on his list was mostly not for economic reasons or something you can call a “failure” of the coin.

If a country is invaded and taken over, with its coin and government replaced by the invaders….did the currency “fail?”



True; it's a common meme of the Bitcoin bros. Even with that the stats break down these lines:

20% failed through hyperinflation, 21% were replaced as a result of war, 12% from countries gaining independence, 24% were monetarily reformed, and 23% are still in circulation.

The biggest problem is that the 23% in circulation have lost value even and the holders continually lose buying power year over year and have absorbed the quiet tax of inflation. I can see the issues calling them failed, but you'd be hard pressed to call them a success.

Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9839 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:37 pm to
how do you explain the 19th century in America?

prices would just adjust to the supply of gold.

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