re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?

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You come in acting like you have all the answers. Think you have facts to back that up, but don’t.

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You're projecting again

No, he's not. You've provided zero facts. Only conjecture...some of which formulated over 70 years after the actual event.

So you believe that just because we're patriotic and support our military that we all assume that everything we've ever done in war is squeaky clean?

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the last two links i posted had plenty of facts in them

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Snails are invertebrates, therefore Japan was innocent.

See. Facts.

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Further, it's clear involving the Russians sooner would have been enough to end the war without the use of the bombs.

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What I don’t think is clear at all is if the war would have ended without additional loss of American life. In fact I think such a stance seems unrealistic.

I also think that the willingness of the Japanese to surrender without the bombs is being overstated and I’ll reference the previous point over them not surrendering after the first bombing and the ferocious defensive efforts put up by Japanese forces late into the war.

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all i've done is question whether or not the difference in those two things is worth flattening two cities over. i think thats a worthwhile question to ask.

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Ok! In my opinion, yes.

In your opinion, apparently not.

Given the course I would endorse, the world power structure looks as it does today.

Given yours we could only speculate, but we may well be having this conversation in rusky (assuming the internet would even have been invented)

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mind-boggling that you're still somehow equating anything i've said as some kind of defense of Japanese atrocities.

How hard is it to understand that just because i question whether or not an action taken by Party A was justified, that doesn't automatically mean i'm on the side of Party B.

The Japanese OBVIOUSLY did a lot of fricked up shite during the war. I shouldn't even have to say it.

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That went right over your head.

Your facts have zero context.

The morality of the decision is only tied to its necessity in a few ethical frameworks, so it’s not extremely relevant imo.

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Your facts have zero context.

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It is not at all unfair to say the terms of surrender offered by the Japanese before the bombs were not, practically speaking, dramatically different than what ended up being accepted after the bombs.

It's also not unfair to say that if we had gotten the Russians to declare war sooner it may have hastened the terms we were looking for.

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You have yet to prove this

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i've posted multiple links. you don't want to accept them and i doubt there is anything that would satisfy you. I have a direct quote from the head of the Allied command flat out saying the nukes weren't necessary yet you continue to insist that not only were they necessary but disagreeing with your position is equivalent to trutherism.