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re: Walmart manager accuses man of stealing tomato and cop breaks man's leg.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:20 pm to ManBearTiger
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:20 pm to ManBearTiger
quote:
and accepted the arse beating
You really think I think that?
Okay, here's what I saw from the video:
Shopper walks past store clerk who is talking to him and rushes up behind him as he approaches the outer door.
Cop sees this and approaches the shopper from the front. This all happens quickly. Although there is no sound, I can't imagine a scenario where the cop is not saying something to the suspected shoplifter.
The shopper appears startled and continues to move towards the door and subtly away from the cop.
The cop pretty quickly starts to grab and strike at the shopper's leg.
Maybe it happened so fast that the shopper didn't have time to process what was happening when he was first confronted and even after he was first struck. But it seems to me that he made a poor choice to continue to resist the cop by refusing to get down and continuing to back away. It makes no sense to me that he would do that.
The bigger point, which I have yet to make in this thread, is this. I think that the antagonistic attitude that has developed regarding cops, and the perception, accurate or exaggerated, that cops are bad, mostly power hungry thugs, out to harm innocent citizens, actually serves to enhance the likelihood that people will resist, and then it becomes self-fulfilling.
Cops need to be reformed and retrained with new policies and tactics. But citizens need to be more considerate and cooperative with cops. I recognize that they have a tough job with many pressures, and that confronting crime is dangerous and messy even in the best of circumstances.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:22 pm to lsupride87
This shouldn't be fricking Russia. An innocent person should be able to go on their way no matter what a cop says. Cops aren't a fricking God. They are public servants. This officer clearly didn't have probable cause so the tomato man should have no obligation to stop. This is America damnit. At least it used to be
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:25 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Holy frick. By your own admission this is what happened and you're STILL saying the customer should have stop drop and rolled?! Oh my god
The shopper appears startled and continues to move towards the door and subtly away from the cop.
The cop pretty quickly starts to grab and strike at the shopper's leg.
So you don't even know if the cop gave him any directions?
All you know is a cop started breaking a dude's leg very quickly after they come into contact?
frick me hahaha
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:28 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:
Cops need to be reformed and retrained with new policies and tactics. But citizens need to be more considerate and cooperative with cops
So I guess you think the guy should have said "thank you, sir. May I have another?" after each blow?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:30 pm to lsupride87
He doesn't need probable cause to investigate. He only needs reasonable suspicion. I don't know why the dickhead cop starts whacking with his nightstick. It was wrong an uncalled for, but he can stop the guy for questioning to investigate.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:32 pm to Darth_Vader
No, but once the beat is on, why doesn't he get down?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:35 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Oh my god
No, but once the beat is on, why doesn't he get down?
You're trolling now
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:35 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Holy frick. By your own admission this is what happened and you're STILL saying the customer should have stop drop and rolled?! Oh my god
Well, what's your advice? If you're innocent and you know it, just tell the cop to go frick himself and go on your merry way? No harm, no foul?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:35 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:and the law abiding citizen should not have to stop and listen. That is my opinion
stop the guy for questioning to investigate.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:39 pm to lsupride87
quote:
quote:
stop the guy for questioning to investigate.
and the law abiding citizen should not have to stop and listen. That is my opinion
Aha! Now we're getting to the kernel! Thank you for saying this!
This is the attitude I'm trying to figure out. It's nonsensical. Furthermore, it's legally incorrect.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:43 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Or run up, get in front of him, and say, "I SUSPECT YOU OF BEING A DIRTY THIEF, PLEASE PROVE THAT YOU ARENT OR I WILL ARREST YOU."
Well, what's your advice? If you're innocent and you know it, just tell the cop to go frick himself and go on your merry way? No harm, no foul?
How the hell can you say this dude sorta made his way to the door and a cop ran up and beat the frick out of him....then insinuate that he told the cop to frick off? What are you doing man?
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:45 pm to Jimbeaux
Was the cop in uniform? If he was in street clothes, I'm out of this fricking thread.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:46 pm to Jimbeaux
In no way should a law abiding citizen have to stop for a cop. I don't give a shite was the law says at this time. We are constantly shitting on the constitution.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:49 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
How the hell can you say this dude sorta made his way to the door and a cop ran up and beat the frick out of him....then insinuate that he told the cop to frick off? What are you doing man?
Did you miss the part where I said the cop was wrong?
I didn't say that the shopper told the cop to frick off, that was the words I put in your mouth as a hypothetical.
The truth is that you don't know any more than I do what was said in that incident.
However, in my opinion, once it was clear the cop wanted the guy to stop and then to get down, the guy clearly resisted. He was a fool for doing so. Help me understand why he made that choice.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:49 pm to lsupride87
Do cops go around and beat the frick out of people they suspect of murder? I'm fairly certain they work on solving the crime. The shite does this guy think it's ok for cops to break legs of those who they think might have stole a veggie?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:50 pm to retired trucker
quote:You need a bag to carry a tomato? Some of us don't.
somethin ain't right here
who da fuq buys a tomato, and hand carries the tomato instead of bagging it
and at the same time, also pockets the receipt?!
don't seem normal business, I know they got all kinds of bags for folks...
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:51 pm to TJGator1215
Cops have very little accountability for their actions so it's no surprise that some are so openly belligerent and even defend each other.
None of the money will come out of the police department's budget or out of the officer's pocket. It will come out of budgets for infrastructure and cops will continue to not GAF.
None of the money will come out of the police department's budget or out of the officer's pocket. It will come out of budgets for infrastructure and cops will continue to not GAF.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:53 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:You know I've already acknowledged the fact that your first statement isn't incorrect.
Did you miss the part where I said the cop was wrong?
quote:Well don't do that. I can only concentrate on a couple points at a time.
I didn't say that the shopper told the cop to frick off, that was the words I put in your mouth as a hypothetical.
quote:I know that a law abiding citizen went through a pretty rough experience for doing absolutely nothing wrong(IMO).
The truth is that you don't know any more than I do what was said in that incident.
quote:Knowing how you think, this won't make sense to you. But.....because he could.
Help me understand why he made that choice.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:54 pm to lsupride87
quote:
In no way should a law abiding citizen have to stop for a cop. I don't give a shite was the law says at this time. We are constantly shitting on the constitution.
You can't be serious.
Good Lord do we need basic citizenship training in this country! You really think that you can ignore a cop's orders to stop if he has reasonable suspicion?
Can you please show me this in your version of the constitution?
Seriously. Is there anyone else here who agrees with this statement? If so, the problem is worse than I thought.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:56 pm to TJGator1215
I could share s beer with Craig' jones
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