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re: Wal-Mart security attempts to arrest perp in parking lot-gets stabbed
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:01 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:01 pm to fr33manator
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In the first few seconds of video we hear an ensuing struggle and see two non-uniformed dudes grabbing and punching at a guy. I don't know about you but if someone who isn't an officer of the law starts assaulting me I'm gonna fight back. Look at the body language of the two. They WANTED it to escalate. Do you follow the instructions of ANYONE who claims authority over you? I have a serious distrust of and zero respect for bottom tier pretend security guards who act like they are damn Blackwater mercs. I seriously doubt they calmly approached the suspect and clearly identified themselves while providing documentation
Yeah right. These security guards just decided to pick some random dude in Wal-Mart and mess with him. You are douchebag who should get a beat down just for being a douchebag trying to defend this douche. The guy was a scumbag and got his assed whipped for being a scumbag. If Sam Walton was still alive, I can guarantee that he would be presenting these guys with the Wal-Mart Medal of Honor for giving an arse whipping above and beyond the call of duty!
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:03 pm to fr33manator
It seems like everyone is forgetting the guy they take down is a THIEF!!! Does that even matter anymore? I can't belive so many people are sticking up for this fricking trash thief!
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:04 pm to fr33manator
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In canada?
Huh? You can legally detain them in the U.S. You said they had no legal right.
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Do you really think these sorts of people (look at their body language and actions) used restraint?
Yes, until they got stabbed by him.
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Or do you think it more likely they decided to form tackle the guy and use as much force as they could.
You're letting your blind hatred for any authority cloud your thinking.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:05 pm to Keyboard Warrior
Because I don't think that non-violent crimes warrant violent, gung-ho, over the top dangerous antics that are against company policy and needlessly put people in harm's way?
Yeah, I'm the douchebag.
Maybe some wal-mart warrior will see you take two samples from the kiosk and decide you need to be "detained".
Yeah, I'm the douchebag.
Maybe some wal-mart warrior will see you take two samples from the kiosk and decide you need to be "detained".
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:08 pm to lsu480
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It seems like everyone is forgetting the guy they take down is a THIEF!!! Does that even matter anymore? I can't belive so many people are sticking up for this fricking trash thief!
So you would be ok with a cop pulling you out of your car and beating the frick out of you for a speeding ticket? I mean you are a fricking trash speeder and all...
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:11 pm to Festus
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Huh? You can legally detain them in the U.S. You said they had no legal right.
Detain=\= physically assault. Which is what I gathered from the video (and a fair amount of speculation)
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Yes, until they got stabbed by him.
I saw them being violent before that. But whatever. It is against company policy and good sense to do what they did and they will lose in a lawsuit.
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You're letting your blind hatred for any authority cloud your thinking.
Loss protection are the lowest authority on the low branch of authority. I couldn't stand the "security guards" when I was working at the plant. Power trips and misplaced sense of authority and zero common sense.
I remember I'd go up at night and the gate would be wide open and if I'd been of a nefarious mind I could have driven a truck out without waking up Shemika.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:12 pm to Dam Guide
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So you would be ok with a cop pulling you out of your car and beating the frick out of you for a speeding ticket? I mean you are a fricking trash speeder and all...
Not even a cop. A crossing guard or some shite like that.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:13 pm to fr33manator
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Not even a cop. A crossing guard or some shite like that.
Good point,
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:14 pm to fr33manator
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Because I don't think that non-violent crimes warrant violent, gung-ho, over the top dangerous antics that are against company policy and needlessly put people in harm's way? Yeah, I'm the douchebag. Maybe some wal-mart warrior will see you take two samples from the kiosk and decide you need to be "detained".
Typical douchebag reply. The dude was stealing. Who was in harm's way except for the guy that was stealing? Maybe the person who filmed it because he was about 6 inches away from the action. Who cares if it was non-violent. A beat down to a thief is always warranted.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:17 pm to fr33manator
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Detain=\= physically assault. Which is what I gathered from the video (and a fair amount of speculation)
The physical assault was the perp pulling a knife and stabbing them. How can you not see that?
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I saw them being violent before that. But whatever. It is against company policy and good sense to do what they did and they will lose in a lawsuit.
Completely your opinion there. The fact remains, your initial statement of fact that they could not legally detain them is wrong. I wish people wouldn't state things as fact when they don't really know. I'm amazed at how many people take statements like yours and assume because you seem smart, you are speaking the truth.
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Loss protection are the lowest authority on the low branch of authority. I couldn't stand the "security guards" when I was working at the plant. Power trips and misplaced sense of authority and zero common sense.
I remember I'd go up at night and the gate would be wide open and if I'd been of a nefarious mind I could have driven a truck out without waking up Shemika.
And I believe that your experiences in the past is the cause of your blind hatred. Don't paint them all with one broad stroke. Many people despise authority, until they or their loved ones need their assistance.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:19 pm to Keyboard Warrior
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ho was in harm's way except for the guy that was stealing?
The guy who got stabbed. Which is precisely why wal-mart policy is not to do what those untrained pseudo-security guards did.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:26 pm to Festus
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The physical assault was the perp pulling a knife and stabbing them. How can you not see that?
Choking and punching alleged shoplifters is assault too.
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The fact remains, your initial statement of fact that they could not legally detain them is wrong
I'm not sure if anyone has Proven that in Canadian law. Only LA law.
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And I believe that your experiences in the past is the cause of your blind hatred. Don't paint them all with one broad stroke.
I might be "fooling myself"
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Many people despise authority, until they or their loved ones need their assistance.
I don't despise authority. I have family in Law Enforcement. But I don't support the militarization of police or over zealous people on a power trip that think a badge gives them the right to be obeyed without question. And I certainly don't think a few LP dudes with Canadian fury and a few to many games of CoD deserve that sort of authority.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:34 pm to fr33manator
Yet you continue to defend a thief pulling out a knife and stabbing that authority?
A normal, innocent person complies with the requests. If wrongly stopped, they use the court system to exact damages against the security officers and Wal Mart. That's what civilized people do.
Animals react by fighting, then stabbing. The fact that you would gloss over that, in an effort to focus on the detaining, is telling and is what I mean by blind hatred. I wish you didn't support the fighting and stabbing done by the perp, which is exactly what you seem to be doing in every post.
A normal, innocent person complies with the requests. If wrongly stopped, they use the court system to exact damages against the security officers and Wal Mart. That's what civilized people do.
Animals react by fighting, then stabbing. The fact that you would gloss over that, in an effort to focus on the detaining, is telling and is what I mean by blind hatred. I wish you didn't support the fighting and stabbing done by the perp, which is exactly what you seem to be doing in every post.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:36 pm to meauxjeaux2
how do we even know he stole something?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:37 pm to Festus
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Yet you continue to defend a thief pulling out a knife and stabbing that authority?
They aren't an authority. When they violated their own company policy they lost any and all authority they might have had.
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I wish you didn't support the fighting and stabbing done by the perp, which is exactly what you seem to be doing in every post.
I don't. I think they are all irrational white trash. I don't condone violence in this situation. I'm saying that any violence could have been prevented if the two moronic LPs would have followed company policy.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:57 pm to fr33manator
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They aren't an authority. When they violated their own company policy they lost any and all authority they might have had.
So you DO condone pulling out the knife and stabbing.
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I don't condone violence in this situation.
No, you condone stabbing the irrational white trash security guards because they didn't follow company policy.
My God, what is wrong with society these days...
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I'm saying that any violence could have been prevented if the two moronic LPs would have followed company policy.
And I'm saying you should consider that the violence would have been prevented if he complied, or even if he didn't, if he was the type to take personal responsibility and not pull out a knife and start stabbing. He chose to respond with violence.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:05 pm to chalmetteowl
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how do we even know he stole something?
We don't. We don't know what led up to the incident or what happened before the camera came on.
Its likely that they didnt pick some random guy to assault in the parking lot, but we don't know what they suspected or witnessed before this happened.
Its possible that the guy had resisted them detaining him, or even assaulted the "guards" before the camera came on as well, but given the fact that this information is not present, the "guards" use of force to detain the guy at the beginning of the video is completely excessive, and grounds for the alleged shoplifter to defend himself. Once he pulls the boxcutter and stabs the guy, the "guards" reaction, including the body slam, are completely justified as they are acting in defense of their lives. Once he is on the ground however, and subdued to where he cant even move his arms like they are yelling at him to, the punching and what not has again gone into unjustified territory.
This all could have been avoided by the "guards" following procedures which doesn't look like that happened (based on when the video starts).
This guy will get PAID in civil damages unless earlier video is available.
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keyboard warrior
You're an alter, trolling POS and are adding nothing to the conversation besides calling someone a douchbag. Seems like thats the biggest word you know. Kindly GFY
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:05 pm to Festus
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My God, what is wrong with society these days...
I know, this thread makes me feel like I am taking crazy pills!
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:06 pm to Festus
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So you DO condone pulling out the knife and stabbing.
Why do you think I condone the stabbing just because I don't recognize the nonexistent authority of some LPs?
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No, you condone stabbing the irrational white trash security guards because they didn't follow company policy.
No. I see a bunch of stupid white trash being needlessly violent for no good reason.
If the punk stole then let the Mounties or the Royal Kilted Canadian Yaksmen or whatever arrest him.
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And I'm saying you should consider that the violence would have been prevented if he complied, or even if he didn't, if he was the type to take personal responsibility and not pull out a knife and start stabbing. He chose to respond with violence.
So some dumbass being accused of shoplifting is grounds to beat him up now if he doesn't listen to LPs?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:09 pm to Festus
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No, you condone stabbing the irrational white trash security guards because they didn't follow company policy.
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Festus
No, it sounds like he condones defending yourself by whatever means available when you are being assaulted by two random men in a parking lot whom are not in uniforms, do not have id ckearly present, and don't identify themselves (based on what we see in the video).
Im not sure why you cant see that he was being attacked BEFORE he pulled out the knife and resorted to violence. That seemed pretty clear to me. If I were put in a hold by someone I didn't know or recognize in a parking lot I would resort to whatever means I had to defend myself.
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