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re: Video proves cops shot hostage without warning, lied about circumstances

Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:23 am to
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:23 am to
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The video, which was recorded by a dashboard camera of a Neenah police car, contradicts those statements.



Not that facts will sway anyone on the OT but... The above sentence about the recording is stupid and wrong. For those that don't know, dashcam video doesn't get audio from a mic on the camera, it gets audio from a wireless lapel mic the officer wears. So the guy with the mic may have been on the opposite side of the building from where this shooting occurred. Hence the mic didn't pick up verbal commands yet picked up the much, much louder gunshots. There can also be a separate external mic inside the car, to pick up suspect statements in the back seat, that also might miss verbal commands that far off but still register the shots. Saying that the video contradicts the officers statement is bullshite journalism at its best.

As for the guy being a party to a lawsuit against the police, so the frick what? Are you implying they said "look there is a hostage - yeah I know he is waving a gun around in the heat of a critical incident but he is OBVIOUSLY a hostage - and I instantly recognize him, so even though we are on video lets go ahead and murder him right here even though we get sued daily and it doesn't cost us a dime." That definitely sounds like what happened. Or MAYBE, a dude ran out waving a gun and they blazed him down only to find out later he was a hostage running from the scene. As it turns out, the guy is suing the police (who isn't) and some journalist decided to try to imply something from that to get some clicks. BTW, the article never mentions if they found the supposed drug operation or not. Here is the deal, scumbag biker dopers who are breaking the law tend to come into contact with cops, get warrants served on their houses, sue the police and end up in situations where they get shot more than average folks. Shocker I know.

Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:33 am to
Meh, it's just a biker. About like them shooting some career criminal thug. The world is likely better off for it.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:11 am to
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Not that facts will sway anyone on the OT but... The above sentence about the recording is stupid and wrong. For those that don't know, dashcam video doesn't get audio from a mic on the camera, it gets audio from a wireless lapel mic the officer wears. So the guy with the mic may have been on the opposite side of the building from where this shooting occurred. Hence the mic didn't pick up verbal commands yet picked up the much, much louder gunshots


They shot him the instant he came out the door.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:14 am to
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Hells Lovers motorcycle gang


They were no angels
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:17 am to
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Or MAYBE, a dude ran out waving a gun and they blazed him down only to find out later he was a hostage running from the scene.


Maybe? Where in the video was he waving a gun? And like I said, the instant he can out, they shite him before they could see who he was or what he had.

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BTW, the article never mentions if they found the supposed drug operation or not. Here is the deal, scumbag biker dopers who are breaking the law tend to come into contact with cops, get warrants served on their houses, sue the police and end up in situations where they get shot more than average folks. Shocker I know.


We're there any arrests in the raid? No. Why? Because they didn't find anything. It was just a place of business, not a drug house.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:22 am to
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I know you started this to defend a biker against cops but you do know this never would have happened in the first place without biker gangs right? Just like Waco never would have happened. Sure the cops screwed up Waco, and might have screwed this up, but both situations were started because one biker was shooting at another biker and the police had to respond. Can you at least admit that much is true


Put the bong down. The guy who came into the shop was not a member of any club. Motorcycle clubs have nothing to do with this.

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Just a yes or no answer, would either of those situations have happened if bikers hadn't pointed guns at other bikers?


There is video of this shooting and Waco, show me in any of them where a cop had a gun pointed at him.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:26 am to
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Video proves cops shot hostage without warning, lied about circumstances by Darth_Vader


So what?

I'm sure they regret it. About as much as Chicken regrets approving your account. Does this bother you most because he was a fellow biker? He has probably done something in the past that warranted this.
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:33 am to
Just change the title to:

Video doesn't prove anything but I think...

At least then it will be accurate.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:36 am to
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I'm sure they regret it. About as much as Chicken regrets approving your account. Does this bother you most because he was a fellow biker?


What bothers me most is an innocent American citizen was shot dead by the police who then lied and tried to cover up their actions. I don't care if he's a biker, accountant, preacher, or whatever.

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He has probably done something in the past that warranted this.


So you want to live in a society where the cops have the right to kill anyone they decide "deserve" to die. Guess we should go ahead and disband all the courts since the cops are now judge, jury, and executioner.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:37 am to
Why did the hostage have a gun?
Posted by Dagoose
Knoxville TN
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:42 am to
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Cops take out biker trash, no tears cried.


But, if the cop was the one shot instead of the biker you would be crying...
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:48 am to
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Why did the hostage have a gun?



Either they kept a gun at the shop or he had it as his personal carry I guess.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 6:57 am to
No, I understood, it was just dumb as frick.


You're blaming a guy who was being held at gun point in his own legitimate place of employment for being murdered by cops when trying to evade violence just because he rides a motorcycle or some shite.


It's like trying to justify shooting a sleeping catahoula pup because pitbulls have a bad reputation and both breeds are canines. Just equal parts pathetic and stupid.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 7:04 am
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:05 am to
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But, if the cop was the one shot instead of the biker you would be crying...



Bootlicker idiots probably shed tears for Denzel in Training Day when he meets his fate.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:28 am to
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Bootlicker idiots probably shed tears for Denzel in Training Day when he meets his fate.


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ManBearTiger


Hey, a-hole, how about a spoiler alert???
Posted by mtntiger
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:34 am to
The cops need to be prosecuted for filing false reports.

This was a hostage situation. A guy runs out of the building holding a gun and turns with gun in hand and starts running toward the cops across the alley.

Should they have shouted a warning? Perhaps, but if someone starts running toward me with gun in hand I'm gonna shoot first, shoot second and keep shooting till the guy is on the ground.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:38 am to
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Hey, a-hole, how about a spoiler alert???



Sorry man I thought everyone knew he gets early retirement for honorable service.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 7:47 am to
Darth = LSUtangarine
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:07 am to
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Darth = LSUtangarine


I don't know who that is or why you're comparing me to them. I'm guessing you think I'm just "anti cop". Well, that's not true. I generally support law enforcement, despite the things I be seen from some of them. I know there are good cops and there are bad cops, just as I know there are good bikers and bad ones. So I'm not anti anything.

What I am instead is pro law and order. By that I mean I believe we are a nation of laws and all citizens of this country are equally subject to those laws, and that includes both bikers and cops.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:15 am to
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I don't know who that is


Dude seriously GTFO . No one that posts on the OT as much as you do doesn't know who Tangerine is.

ib4youaskwhoiam
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 8:16 am
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