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Veterans of the OT: Did you fight for the Flag or for the Right to Burn the Flag?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:04 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:04 am
Honest question.
I have friends, family, and acquaintances who fought in the various arms of the US military.
Sure, some proudly declare that they fought for the Flag and hate seeing it disrespected in any way, shape, or form. It pisses them off to no end.
But there are some who proclaim that they didn't fight for the flag and really couldn't care less about how it's treated by others(Most of these people still don't like seeing the flag burned, but don't make a big deal out of it.). They fought for the Constitution, and seeing a flag burned validates their beliefs.
And then there are some who just joined because they didn't know what else to do.
These are the ones who don't give a shite either way.
So, looking back, what would you say was your main motivating factor?
I have friends, family, and acquaintances who fought in the various arms of the US military.
Sure, some proudly declare that they fought for the Flag and hate seeing it disrespected in any way, shape, or form. It pisses them off to no end.
But there are some who proclaim that they didn't fight for the flag and really couldn't care less about how it's treated by others(Most of these people still don't like seeing the flag burned, but don't make a big deal out of it.). They fought for the Constitution, and seeing a flag burned validates their beliefs.
And then there are some who just joined because they didn't know what else to do.
These are the ones who don't give a shite either way. So, looking back, what would you say was your main motivating factor?
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:13 am to magildachunks
Both. I joined for what the flag represents and the rights of those to express their views by burning it if they want to.
I also won't shed a tear if someone catches an arse beating from a civilian or three for attempting to burn it, there are consequences for certain actions and the BoR restricts the government, not the People.
I also won't shed a tear if someone catches an arse beating from a civilian or three for attempting to burn it, there are consequences for certain actions and the BoR restricts the government, not the People.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:18 am to magildachunks
I partied away my scholarship and needed tuition so I spent one weekend a month doing roll call and inspection, then playing pickup basketball in the armory, and two weeks a year shitting in a hole in the ground at Ft Polk.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:22 am to magildachunks
Go ahead and do it, it’s not me that looks like a dumb bastard.
-vet
-vet
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 12:24 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:27 am to Clames
quote:
I also won't shed a tear if someone catches an arse beating from a civilian or three for attempting to burn it, there are consequences for certain actions and the BoR restricts the government, not the People.
So you hold the flag in higher regard than the Constitution?
For example: If you saw someone burning the flag, and then saw a group of people trying to kick his arse for doing so, you would sit back and let it happen or would you step in and try to defend the flag burner from the attack?
And you have to pick a side in this hypothetical. Flag or Constitution. Which one do you pick?
(I understand the viewpoint of fighting for what the Flag represents. But the flag represents the Constitution, the philosophy in which we live our lives.)
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:25 am to magildachunks
quote:
For example: If you saw someone burning the flag, and then saw a group of people trying to kick his arse for doing so, you would sit back and let it happen or would you step in and try to defend the flag burner from the attack?
And you have to pick a side in this hypothetical. Flag or Constitution. Which one do you pick?
Why does one need to physically get involved to protect the flag burner to support the constitution? It is support of the constitution to not kick the flag burners arse. It is also support of the flag to not stop others from kicking said flag burners arse. You can support both simultaneously...your hypothetical doesn't exist.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:26 am to magildachunks
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So you hold the flag in higher regard than the Constitution?
No, are you stupid or just so dishonest you can't read a plain statement without some type of bullshite spin?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:28 am to magildachunks
I'm sure it's lame to some but I didn't join for such high-minded ideals. I just didn't have any direction and wanted out of my shithole town. Not that both those ideals aren't important to me. They just weren't primary drivers.
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quote:I fall into this one but like I said, I cared about those things. They just aren't what motivated me to get my arse on a bus to Fort Benning in June.
And then there are some who just joined because they didn't know what else to do. These are the ones who don't give a shite either way.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 1:46 am
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:40 am to Clames
quote:
Both. I joined for what the flag represents and the rights of those to express their views by burning it if they want to.
This.
The other night at a graduation, a gentleman sat down during the national anthem. My wife (no pics), points it out to me, and I say, good for him. I fought for him to have freedom of speech.
I don’t agree with what he’s doing it for, but that’s my freedom of speech.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:44 am to theantiquetiger
quote:
I fought for him to have freedom of speech.
Who did you fight that was coming for our freedom of speech?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:32 am to magildachunks
for the right to party.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:16 am to magildachunks
quote:
So you hold the flag in higher regard than the Constitution?
For example: If you saw someone burning the flag, and then saw a group of people trying to kick his arse for doing so, you would sit back and let it happen or would you step in and try to defend the flag burner from the attack?
And you have to pick a side in this hypothetical. Flag or Constitution. Which one do you pick?
(I understand the viewpoint of fighting for what the Flag represents. But the flag represents the Constitution, the philosophy in which we live our lives.)
You really have no idea what the constitution protects.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:18 am to Steadyhands
quote:
It is support of the constitution to not kick the flag burners arse. It is also support of the flag to not stop others from kicking said flag burners arse. You can support both simultaneously...your hypothetical doesn't exist.
you can also support the constitution and kick the flag burners arse.
....unless you're a government official.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 4:11 am to magildachunks
quote:
Sure, some proudly declare that they fought for the Flag and hate seeing it disrespected in any way, shape, or form. It pisses them off to no end.
But there are some who proclaim that they didn't fight for the flag and really couldn't care less about how it's treated by others(Most of these people still don't like seeing the flag burned, but don't make a big deal out of it.). They fought for the Constitution, and seeing a flag burned validates their beliefs.
Yes to both, I would be lying if I said it doesn't provoke a sense of anger that fellow citizens would burn or desecrate the flag. However, when you raise your hand and swear to uphold the Constitution well that is part of it. To be honest I am less angry about some young kid who has been brainwashed into leftist ideology burning a flag than career politicans from both parties who shite on the Constitution daily.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:41 am to magildachunks
quote:
So you hold the flag in higher regard than the Constitution?
You made this thread solely to make this stupid attempt at a gotcha. As usual, you are a terrible poster
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:45 am to magildachunks
I joined so I could travel to far exotic lands and meet interesting people of other cultures.....and kill them. 
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:50 am to Clames
quote:
Both. I joined for what the flag represents and the rights of those to express their views by burning it if they want to.
I also won't shed a tear if someone catches an arse beating from a civilian or three for attempting to burn it, there are consequences for certain actions and the BoR restricts the government, not the People.
Perfect response.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:54 am to magildachunks
Both.
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