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re: Vermilion Parish teacher arrested during school board meeting
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:38 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:38 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Teachers in Assumption start at 40k
Teachers in Ascension start at 42k
Teachers in Livingston start at 40,500
Teachers in Iberville start at 44k
Teachers in Ascension start at 42k
Teachers in Livingston start at 40,500
Teachers in Iberville start at 44k
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:40 pm to tduecen
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I really think you are being purposely obtuse about this situation and just arguing to argue at this point.
Now this is true. I have seen Apex post before he is far from dumb. He is either arguing for the fun of it or is too prideful to admit he is wrong.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:42 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Now this is true. I have seen Apex post before he is far from dumb. He is either arguing for the fun of it or is too prideful to admit he is wrong
What you are seeing lately in this thread is the anti liberal crowd showing up, because they saw this on the news and are comparing it to every other situation. They missed out on all the facts, and are blindly coming in with their anti liberal agendas.
This situation isn't the same.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:42 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Nobody said this...and it has nothing to do with what a teacher makes. Every 1st year teacher in the district will make X amount of money. That rises as the number of years experience goes up. The fact that you think a principal should decide that Teacher A with 5 years of experience should be hired for 50k, versus another teacher with the same experience should make 40k is insane. This would lead to more corruption.
My God, you have a very low opinion of principals and what they should be able to do beside issue disciplinary actions and make sure bus routes are made each day all day long.
Wouldn't a principal want to hire the best?
Wouldn't they want to be able to offer the most they could on a budget they have been provided? are you suggesting they would go low and do what with that extra 10k? explain it to me, I don't get the corruption piece...
Wouldn't they want to compete with other schools and pay the most they could? I would like to think they would...
Each school has a budget....it's that simple, raising teacher pay has to be done by addressing tax revenues and then allocated it according to needs
Superintendent nor the board controls how much money is available to them. They do control what is given out...but it goes only so far.
everyone knows this
the optics are horrible the guy is getting a decent bump in pay...
Can any of the teaches do the job of Superintendent? I doubt they would want that thankless job
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:43 pm to ApexTiger
Because all of that costs money. Each district gets a certain amount of $ per kid enrolled. This goes to running all the schools, salaries, etc. The district sets salaries according to their budget. It isn't as easy as just saying lets hire 50 more teachers to get smaller classrooms or give everyone a 5k raise if the money isn't there.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:44 pm to tduecen
Teachers in Avoyelles start at 36K, Pt Coupee start at 38K
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:46 pm to secondandshort
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Because all of that costs money. Each district gets a certain amount of $ per kid enrolled. This goes to running all the schools, salaries, etc. The district sets salaries according to their budget. It isn't as easy as just saying lets hire 50 more teachers to get smaller classrooms or give everyone a 5k raise if the money isn't there.
thank you for helping me make the points I've tried to make
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:47 pm to ApexTiger
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Wouldn't a principal want to hire the best?
Wouldn't they want to be able to offer the most they could on a budget they have been provided? are you suggesting they would go low and do what with that extra 10k? explain it to me, I don't get the corruption piece...
You can't be this dense.
You can't just tell a principal he has X amount of money to spend on teachers and give them free reigns with how to distribute it. It would absolutely lead to more corruption.
Then add sports into this, and it gets even more corrupt.
Principal of school A has a top notch football coach, who is making 45k a year.
Principal B, in the same district, wants said teacher/coach. He offers him 60k to coach as his salary as a teacher to lure him away. That takes away 15k for other teachers who may be better and have more experience.
You see no issues there?
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:57 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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You can't be this dense.
I say you can't really live in this bubble you pretend exists in the real world of leadership and management.
Each school has a head honcho, called a principal
They are responsible for pretty much everything going on inside their institution....everything except how much money they have to work with. Do they have to tough and wise? you bet
Every government institution regardless at state, local or federal levels, spends 100% what they have, Why? So they are guaranteed to get the same amount the next year.
Government doesn't operate like traditional for profit business does...business is far more shrewd...they try to save, government tries to spend all of it
Government at at all levels will work to max out their budget...If they don't, they are told the next year "I see you didn't need as much money, so we gave the extra to someone else who did for this year"
If they have the money, they will pay the teachers
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:00 pm to ApexTiger
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thank you for helping me make the points I've tried to make
The only points you've tried to make are that teachers shouldn't complain about salaries in an open forum, and that the state sets teacher pay.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:01 pm to ApexTiger
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If they have the money, they will pay the teachers
I agree with this. The only thing is I don't think they do. I don't know of many school boards that are sitting on big ol piles of cash. Secondandshort has what is correct for Livingston Parish. If LP had cash laying around I am 100% they would give teachers raises.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:02 pm to chuckitdeep
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:02 pm to chuckitdeep
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I agree with this. The only thing is I don't think they do. I don't know of many school boards that are sitting on big ol piles of cash.
Funny thing about Vermilion Parish School Board...the reportedly posted a $3 million deficit last year.
So, if that is true, why is ANYONE getting a raise?
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:02 pm to ApexTiger
There is no point discussing anything with you. You are getting dumber by the post.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:04 pm to Cowboyfan89
No shite, Assumption Parish last year bought new furniture/computers for the central office. All the while the schools have leaks, old computers, etc.... The previous year the school board voted to give raises to what they deemed essential central office individuals, this year they are in a deficit and will be laying off teachers and possibly consolidating a school.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:08 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
The major issue at hand here is how the school board went about passing this new contract/raise.
Its not about teachers raises, SI raises etc. Its about the corruption of the board, and the methods used to get what they wanted passed. And the potential of certain members to control the board vote in the future.
Its not about teachers raises, SI raises etc. Its about the corruption of the board, and the methods used to get what they wanted passed. And the potential of certain members to control the board vote in the future.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:08 pm to tduecen
That's tough there. It is difficult to make some of these calls. If Assumption has had the same furniture for the last 20 years at some point you do have to buy new stuff even if it looks bad.
Although I am a firm believer to an extent that all you need for school is teachers and kids.
Although I am a firm believer to an extent that all you need for school is teachers and kids.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:09 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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You can't just tell a principal he has X amount of money to spend on teachers and give them free reigns with how to distribute it. It would absolutely lead to more corruption.
Think about this statement, and then please tell us why you think we can't trust a principal to manage their institution with any kind of accountability?
Is it your lack of faith in principals being competent, or lack of faith in people, or lack of faith in government?
We shouldn't need a law stating "Principals must pay all teachers the same rate or a certain min. pay rate"
it's more about having a limited budget while being as competitive as possible...
being competitive means paying the most, not the least.
perhaps you have been listening to the min. wage arguments for too long.
Government prints money....they don't actually create real commerce ...they create revenue by handing you and me a tax bill, then they spend it all and complain to one another they need more...
private schools provide better education for less money per student.
why? because people who manage money the right way are in charge of the limited funds. It's a sink or swim deal.
Government drowns in debt...4 Trillion among all states combined
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:13 pm to tduecen
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Assumption Parish last year bought new furniture/computers for the central office
there you go! Now we are getting to the root of my angst all along
big government has lot of mouths to feed who do not teach...
I wish we could cut it all down and get simple...then we could pay teachers more...
and have more assistants in their big classes...
it's overwhelming problem combined with too many cultural issues...
I always hoped Trump would get tough on this issue but it's political suicide to speak about the real ugly truth inside education.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:18 pm to chuckitdeep
quote:The didn't, everything was less than 10 years old and the computers were less than 5 years. They thought the money would keep rolling in and it did not, now teachers are going to pay. This is a parish that already has trouble attracting quality teachers and has a shortage, also a parish that has no big business to boost up property taxes.
. If Assumption has had the same furniture for the last 20 years at some point you do have to buy new stuff even if it looks bad.
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