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re: Verdun, February 21, 1916. How long could you stand the bombardment of a million shells?
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:08 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:08 pm to fr33manator
Nothing compared to the violence on Jan 6, 2021.
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:10 pm to fr33manator
Truly hell on earth.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:22 pm to IAmNERD
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I often see the question about which conflict would have been the worst to be in. My answer is always the American Civil War and WW1
shite, many tactics from the Civil War were used in Verdun
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:30 pm to Nigel Farage
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The one timeline I would love to see would be the Germans breaking through on the Marne in 1914 and we see a quick end to this war. No Russian revolution, the Ottoman Empire isnt broken apart by European powers, no rise of Nazism, I could go on and on.
The “what-ifs” of WWI have always fascinated me. There are so many things that had to fall into place that lead to the war we know as WWI. If any of them turned out differently, the war would have gone differently and the world today would be far different.
What if the assignation attempt on Franz Ferdinand failed?
What if Russia didn’t mobilize?
What if Britain maintained neutrality?
What if the US rejected the British blockade of Germany just as it rejected the German blockade of the British Isles?
What if Italy had honored its obligations to Germany and Austria-Hungary and sided with the Central Powers?
What if, instead of going to the front, Tzar Nicholas remained in Petrograd, accepted the need for reform, and Russia became a constitutional monarchy?
What if Germany saw sooner the potential in the tank and integrated them into their StoßTruppen tactics?
What if future world leaders like Churchill or Hitler died in the trenches?
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:37 pm to fr33manator
The destruction of the Verdun Citadel from two days' German bombardment, February 1916.
Germans 1
Starfort 0
"You shall not let them pass." - Gen. Neville
"We shall bleed them white." - Gen. Falkenhayn
Germans 1
Starfort 0
"You shall not let them pass." - Gen. Neville
"We shall bleed them white." - Gen. Falkenhayn
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:41 pm to Darth_Vader
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The “what-ifs” of WWI have always fascinated me.
And when I think about all the horrors that did happen, I wonder how a quick German victory could possibly have been any worse.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:47 pm to VermilionTiger
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shite, many tactics from the Civil War were used in Verdun
Sorta. By 1916, Germans, and the British and French to a lesser degree had modified their infantry attack tactics from the mass formations advancing in line abreast that were a hallmark of the first phase of the war. Artillery tactics had also changed with the introduction of the “creeping barrage”.
However, at the start of 1916 the k.u.K army and the Russians both still adhered to the old mass formation attacks that achieved little more than piling up bodies. The Russians im the summer of 1916, at least the Southwest front under Gen. Aleksie Brusilov, adopted tactics that would heavily influence the Germans in their adoption of their Stosstruppen battalions. The success of the Brusilov Offensive, which briefly looked like it could knock Austria-Hungary out of the war showed what was possible. Sadly, for the Russians at least, Brusilov’s Offensive ran out of steam. Worse yet, Brusilov’s tactics were not adopted in the the rest of the Russian army.
Sidebar: another interesting “what-if” is what would have happened if Romania had not delayed in jumping in the war until the Brusilov Offensive had run out of steam? Had Romania declared war in June or July when the K.u.k army was reeling, I think there’s a very good chance Austria-Hungary would have been forced to make a separate peace.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
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What if Germany saw sooner the potential in the tank and integrated them into their StoßTruppen tactics?
Meh, what truly made the German panzers so effective was two-way radios to allow for immediate communication between units, lending itself to "lightning war". Mobile two-way radios that could fit in tanks weren't invented until the 20s.
The tank, the mobile tactics of bunched tanks (instead of just infantry support) and the radios were all invented by the British - yet it was the Germans who put them all together with stunning results.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Starfort
Fort douaumont was a Polygonal fort not a star fort.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
it's one of those nails on a chalkboard kind of things for me idk why IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A STAR DAMMIT!!
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:26 pm to fr33manator
How the frick would anyone know unless there?
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:30 pm to fr33manator
I remember The Angel of Verdun. She was a badass.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:32 pm to beerJeep
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IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A STAR DAMMIT!!
To be fair, Fort Douaumont didn't even look like a fort by March.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:36 pm to Darth_Vader
Verdun and the Somme very bad battles.
I just watched a documentary on Paschendael also it in WW1 that was also on that level. Harrowing stuff.
I just watched a documentary on Paschendael also it in WW1 that was also on that level. Harrowing stuff.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:00 pm to pbro62
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How the frick would anyone know unless there?
It was more of a rhetorical question. The audio of the drumfire, the pictures, the description were supposed to make you try to imagine the hell, even a tiny bit.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:24 pm to jfan244888
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Verdun and the Somme very bad battles.
I just watched a documentary on Paschendael also it in WW1 that was also on that level. Harrowing stuff.
Paschendael was very much like Verdun and the Somme with the added bonus of being fought in mud that could swallow a horse.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:32 pm to cypresstiger
A jewish war fought between white brothers. Sad.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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Paschendael was very much like Verdun and the Somme with the added bonus of being fought in mud that could swallow a horse.
Atreyu’s horse died at Paschendael
Posted on 2/21/22 at 5:06 pm to keks tadpole
Every American that thinks French heritage is soft needs to read about Verdun
Americans have no clue what it would be like to have a post war on its own soil where almost an entire generation of our boys are lost
Americans have no clue what it would be like to have a post war on its own soil where almost an entire generation of our boys are lost
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