re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...

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And my experience is totally anecdotal. I’m helping with contact tracing at work (high school

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the wife is a school nurse, she works about 16 hours a day 6 days a week with covid issues.

Following infection or vaccination completion, you create a nice supply of circulating antibodies. These work along with other parts of your immune system to prevent reinfect ion (or infection in the case of a vaccine). The antibodies peak a few weeks after exposure and then decline over time. The time varies by person and pathogen and they’re still unsure how long they last. For example Immunosuppressed people have “faster drop offs” in antibodies than the average person.

It’s impossible for your immune system to constantly maintain high levels of antibodies for every pathogen you’ve encountered. Over time they drop off to low to no measurable levels. At this time, they don’t know how long they last.

Fortunately antibodies will be quickly replenished if/when you’re reexposed to the pathogen due to the creation of “memory” B and T “white” blood cells. These probably last a lifetime but that’s TBD.

The antibody fall off is part why they’re now looking at 8 month boosters, to generate an immediate antibody rise in people who’re possibly getting low on antibody levels.

Once antibody levels drop off the virus can easily enter your upper respiratory tract and start replicating for a period of time, the length dependent on your immune response.

In a person not vaccinated or previously exposed, it takes 10-14 days to produce a protective level of antibodies. This allows the virus to multiple and spread within the host and causes damage for up to 2 weeks.

After exposure or vaccination, while you still have circulating antibodies, you’re unlikely to replicate the virus for any significant time. But when your antibodies drop off, you can get reinfected for a short time (up to 5 days) while your immune system resupplies antibodies and removes the virus.

That’s 5-9 days less time for the virus to cause damage and since most people that show clinical signs don’t start until around day 3 that’s 8-12 less days feeling/being sick.

This is a mucosal virus and it is extremely hard to completely stop the beginning of an infection, especially with the nature of the Coronaviruses who are mass producers of virus.

The advantage of the vaccine for people without exposure is to shortens the time the virus can affect your body meaning much less damage, less shedding and less likelihood of hospitalization or death. For people with preexisting conditions (most likely to die) it’s a great option and does it’s job very well.

For others in lower risk groups, it still lowers your chance of getting real sick and the odd chance you’ll need hospitalization or will die.

The advantage of the vaccine in previously exposed people is the immediate booster of antibodies, making even a mild infection much less likely.

The vaccine does have a positive impact on the population and individual health, everyone (especially high risk people) should consider getting it but I’m not in agreement it should be mandatory, especially as it relates to children.

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Anecdotal as well, but my Aunt is immuno-compromised and has now had three shots. She is listed as fully vaccinated, but she has no protection because of a fricked immune system.

So yeah, immuno-compromised would be more likely to get a breakthrough case as well as more likely to die from covid.

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The ones I’ve seen haven’t necessarily been immunocompromised (to my knowledge). But they just haven’t had bad symptoms. We’re seeing headache, runny nose, low-grade fever, and a cough for a few days when they do. Had one say it felt like the flu for 3-4 days but never felt like they needed to go to the hospital.

I’m sure I would trust NBC News,they’re an unbiased,reliable news source.
Back to masks,if vaccinated have virus colonized in their nose what is the viral load collected by the masks.Most people I see with masks are constantly fiddling with them,adjusting them,etc.I catch myself doing it myself,Maybe hand washing,keeping hands away from face might be more beneficial.
People are truly nasty,even some Drs.and nurses.Back when I was working the big push was to prevent spread of MRSA amongst our pts.,we swabbed every pts.nose upon admission.About 50% were positive,I would bet the same percentage was true for the general population.There was a highly regarded surgeon that had a lot of patients in our ICU,he was constantly tugging on his nose as if it itched.Then he would remove pts. dressings to inspect their wounds barehanded without washing his hands.
Also we had a male nurse that was constantly chewing his nails,(he had them down to the quick).

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in the case of a breakthrough infection

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What % of cases are breakthrough cases?

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yeah, immuno-compromised would be more likely to get a breakthrough case as well as more likely to die from covid.

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The one vaccinated COVID death I’ve seen at work in the last month since we started seeing breakthrough cases was someone with full blown AIDS and other health issues.

The biggest thing that sucks about this whole thing is that one dumb stubborn friend that you had growing up but loved is the one that didn't get the shot and is now dead. That's what sucks.

Which makes perfect sense and explains why breakthrough cases could see a high death rate.

If someone was looking to blame the vaccine for cases being worse they could choose to leave out the patient profile.

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Even then, the idea that you can stop the spread of a respiratory virus through washing your hands is ridiculous.

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Agreed but wasn't his point that he didn't really think about how nasty people in general are until the pandemic?

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Agreed but wasn't his point that he didn't really think about how nasty people in general are until the pandemic?

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It was, yes