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re: Utah surgeon, others accused of destroying vaccines, giving fake shots to children

Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:20 pm to
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It's falsifying medical records. Which is a crime. If I falsified medical records as a licensed therapist I would receive disciplinary action from my board, would likely lose my license, and could be charged with insurance fraud (if it's not a private pay client). They could just refuse to administer the vaccine.



I'm not faulting you for this response. But surely you can see how the public might view a doctor falsifying a vaccine record for a kid who doesn't need the vaccine so he can go to school differently than how you do, no?

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I've seen parents create systematic change by pulling their kids out of school in large numbers.



To do what? Not go to school which they already weren't able to do? I get it, there are other ways to push change in the system. But again, a lot of Americans would look at a doctor falsifying that record so a kid didn't suffer considerable developmental harm as a just thing.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37787 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:21 pm to
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You either have the right to mandate vaccines, or you don’t. Period. It has nothing to do with how anyone feels about the particular vaccine


well the USSC apparently thinks you're wrong so...

and it does have everything to do with the particular vaccine whether you think it should or not.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:21 pm to
Alright man. You tell me when it’s ok to trust the data and when not to trust the data

Because it sure seems you find your answer, and then find the data to support it, and not find the date to get to your answer…..
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:23 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36521 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:22 pm to
Get back to me in 5 years
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86131 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:22 pm to
Does my toddler need to be vaccinated? Because the healthcare agencies of the United States Government are funding ad campaigns to say that he does.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:23 pm to
Why does 5 years become magic?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:23 pm to
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Does my toddler need to be vaccinated?
Up to you. Mine aren’t
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86131 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Up to you. Mine aren’t



Why aren't yours if the government agencies are telling you the data supports the need for toddler vaccination?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37787 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:25 pm to
how heavily invested in Pfizer and Moderna are you? These threads are like a bat signal for you to come in and start railing about how necessary they are. And you're not even a doctor, are you? Aren't you just some admin or HR guy that works for a hospital? Your obsession with these vaccines is odd.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22292 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:27 pm to
What real world data sources are you using since you claim to be a DBA for some hospital?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36521 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:28 pm to
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Why does 5 years become magic?

I was being facetious, but we do need some sort of extended time of testing something to know the viability of it. You keep wanting to compare the MMR vaccine to the COVID vaccine, but the MMR vaccine has shown to be effective for decades. The same obviously cannot be said regarding the COVID vaccine. We were initially told that you couldn't get the virus if you were vaccinated, then we were told we couldn't transmit the virus if we were vaccinated, then we were told that we could still get it and still transmit it, but it would lower our chances of severe symptoms. They've (government and medical community) been all over the place with this shite, constantly moving the goalposts. Sorry if I don't trust them.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:29 pm to
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at the request of their parents


Not guilty obviously

frick the government and frick any of you who carry their water regarding mandates.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:32 pm to
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Why aren't yours if the government agencies are telling you the data supports the need for toddler vaccination?
Same reason I drink more than 2 beers a day. I don’t listen to everything they say
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:33 pm to
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how heavily invested in Pfizer and Moderna are you? These threads are like a bat signal for you to come in and start railing about how necessary they are. And you're not even a doctor, are you? Aren't you just some admin or HR guy that works for a hospital? Your obsession with these vaccines is odd.
I am in no more vaccine threads than yourself

Why don’t you ask the posters who can’t stop starting threads on the issue
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:34 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:35 pm to
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Sorry if I don't trust them
Do you not trust them though, or do you pick and choose when to trust them?

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86131 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:35 pm to
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Same reason I drink more than 2 beers a day. I don’t listen to everything they say



You drink more beers because you're accepting the risk and like beer, not because you don't believe the guidance is sound

You're not getting your toddlers vaccinated because you see the world around you and don't think it agrees with what the government is selling

it's ok, you can say it, we're in the trust tree
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:37 pm to
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You're not getting your toddlers vaccinated because you see the world around you and don't think it agrees with what the government is selling
Not at all. I saw the virus wasn’t a threat, and feel nervous about vaccines in general. I have zero data or factual basis for feeling so, just so

I am always anxious days after every vaccine they have ever gotten. This one being new was too much.

I am fine admitting that, and don’t need to crutch some reasoning to try and support my decision
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
1323 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:37 pm to
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But surely you can see how the public might view a doctor falsifying a vaccine record for a kid who doesn't need the vaccine so he can go to school differently than how you do, no?


Yes, on principle, but the problem is that they were charging parents $50 per card. If their motives were pure, they would not have charged the parents anything.

The vaccines and cards were supplied by the US government, they did not have to pain for them, the access to the department of health's vaccine database to enter the shot is also free.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37787 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:37 pm to
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I am in no more vaccine threads than yourself

Why don’t you ask the posters who can’t stop starting threads on the issue


cool. Now answer the questions
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108781 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:40 pm to
I am drawn to threads where people use emotional non logic based thoughts. It’s the same reason I was in every covid thread arguing against people who were for restrictions and lockdowns etc
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