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re: Utah surgeon, others accused of destroying vaccines, giving fake shots to children
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:59 pm to tigersownall
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:59 pm to tigersownall
quote:Until your doctor does something like this for a med you think you need and he doesn't.
The kind of doctors we need.
Then it won't be ok.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:00 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Let me clarify:
You either have the right to mandate vaccines, or you don’t. Period. It has nothing to do with how anyone feels about the particular vaccine
This is just stupid, you should have to have some sort of data showing that a vaccine actually works before being able to mandate it. It's patently ridiculous to think that you should be able to just mandate any and all vaccines regardless of viability of the vaccine.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:00 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Ok, and when the mandate is shown to be highly reckless for at least some groups, what should the population do, and what should providers do?
Providers can elect to not give the shot.
And the population can elect to hold their kids out of school until a mandate is changed. Or they can address their politicians directly. Exercise some good ol' fashioned civil disobedience that doesn't potentially directly harm a kid (like injecting them with unregulated saline).
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:01 pm to Epic Cajun
What would you call FDA approval?
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:01 pm to shel311
"Doctors should give shots to people that they don't actually need and which might actually be harmful to them because of some hypothetical situation in the future that could occur where some other doctors take the exact same approach to a very different situation"
I just don't know that this type of argument has any real impact anymore given what has transpired
I just don't know that this type of argument has any real impact anymore given what has transpired
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:
What would you call FDA approval?
In the case of the COVID vaccine? A fricking farce at best
If you have any trust in these money grabbing assholes running our government at this point, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:03 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
Providers can elect to not give the shot.
And the population can elect to hold their kids out of school until a mandate is changed. Or they can address their politicians directly. Exercise some good ol' fashioned civil disobedience that doesn't potentially directly harm a kid (like injecting them with unregulated saline).
Do you think providers providing false vaccination records is a just response or no?
Obviously "utilize the broken, dishonest system to fight the broken, dishonest system hurting your kids by keeping them out of schools" is not going to be that compelling to lots of folks
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:04 pm to GumboPot
Give these heroes awards!
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:04 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Then why are you spouting about approval and such?
If you have any trust in these money grabbing assholes running our government at this point, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:05 pm to GumboPot
Not all heroes wear capes......
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:07 pm to GumboPot
Hero.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:07 pm to lsupride87
I'm spouting actual data that is proven, not the bullshite that happened with this vaccine.
My wife and I are both "vaccinated", due to work obligations and have had zero side effects and I'm not one of these looney toons that points to every death and says "were they vaccinated?!?!", but the way that this "vaccine" was handled is utter horseshite.
My wife and I are both "vaccinated", due to work obligations and have had zero side effects and I'm not one of these looney toons that points to every death and says "were they vaccinated?!?!", but the way that this "vaccine" was handled is utter horseshite.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:09 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:And where did you get that data?
I'm spouting actual data that is proven
Oh yeh, from the medical community as a whole and from the government. Because you surely aren’t conducting studies or research on the vaccine yourself.
So why trust the medical community and government, and then laugh at the idea of trusting the medical community and government?
What make fun of people who go against the establishment for MMR vaccines, and then praise people who go agaisnt the establishment for covid vaccines?
It’s the same exact establishment giving you “your data”
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:12 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And where did you get that data? Oh yeh, from the medical community as a whole and from the government. Because you surely aren’t conducting studies or research on the vaccine yourself.
This, right here, is the largest problem facing public discourse. A complete lack of trust in the source of factual data, largely due to the fact that whatever statistics a person sees doesn’t align with their belief system clearly can’t be right.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:13 pm to tigersownall
quote:
The kind of doctors we need.
Stop, that's bullcrap. These people are opportunists and are profiting from this scheme. They should be charged and have their medical license taken or suspended.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:14 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And where did you get that data?
I don't have the data, it doesn't exist. It can't possibly exist because the vaccine hadn't existed long enough for the data to exist before it started being mandated.
"The government did this one thing right, so everything they do must be right"
You realize how naïve that sounds?
ETA: honestly, I don't trust a fricking thing that comes from the government in regards to COVID because we've been lied to from the beginning, and if you don't believe that, then I don't know what to tell you
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:15 pm to Epic Cajun
You realize how it sounds when you say
“I trust this medicine because the medical community at large says to based on data”
And then
“I don’t trust the medical community and their data”
“I trust this medicine because the medical community at large says to based on data”
And then
“I don’t trust the medical community and their data”
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:15 pm to AbitaFan08
quote:
This, right here, is the largest problem facing public discourse. A complete lack of trust in the source of factual data, largely due to the fact that whatever statistics a person sees doesn’t align with their belief system.
I agree the absence of credible authority is a huge, institutional, perhaps even existential problem, but it's on the rise for a good reason (formerly authoritative sources are boldly lying to you and demonizing you if you object).
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:16 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Do you think providers providing false vaccination records is a just response or no?
It's falsifying medical records. Which is a crime. If I falsified medical records as a licensed therapist I would receive disciplinary action from my board, would likely lose my license, and could be charged with insurance fraud (if it's not a private pay client). They could just refuse to administer the vaccine.
quote:
Obviously "utilize the broken, dishonest system to fight the broken, dishonest system hurting your kids by keeping them out of schools" is not going to be that compelling to lots of folks
I've seen parents create systematic change by pulling their kids out of school in large numbers.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:18 pm to lsupride87
quote:
“I don’t trust the medical community and their data”
They didn't have the fricking data at the point of the mandates
We have what the medical community has told us, plus anecdotal evidence of living it, in regards to the MMR vaccine. If they told us that we all needed to get the MMR vaccine and we saw for our eyes that it didn't fricking work do you think that everyone would feel the same as we do now regarding that vaccine?
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