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re: Utah surgeon, others accused of destroying vaccines, giving fake shots to children
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But yes, there is a host of issues with a doctor (who swore an oath) who is administering fake vaccines even at the will of the parents.
As I said, what happens if this is not a COVID vaccine and is instead an MMR? Then you end up with a measles outbreak. It makes it almost impossible to contact trace (I realize this is a dirty word because of COVID but it's valid when it comes to other diseases) AND puts children who medically cannot be vaccinated in direct harm. We're not that far removed from Andrew Wakefield's non-sense that had thousands of families seeking vaccination waivers based on really bad science that was debunked.
Again, people are differentiating between a rushed vaccine that has never been used like this before and a vaccines that has gone through the proper stages of development.
I don't have an issue with these doctors doing this given the circumstances at the time.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:21 pm to Pettifogger
I still think they're valid. Honestly.
But I'm also operating from a point that when I work with a child client, I have to obtain assent before "treating" them. And I doubt that was obtained in this situation either. So maybe I'm just overly rigorous.
But I'm also operating from a point that when I work with a child client, I have to obtain assent before "treating" them. And I doubt that was obtained in this situation either. So maybe I'm just overly rigorous.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:23 pm to commode
quote:No, I really am not. I’m competing physician fraud to physician fraud
You are really comparing a fully tested vaccine to one the government pushed thru with an emergency mandate?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:24 pm to BluegrassBelle
Nothing you're saying is ridiculous, but it's just going to be hard to get normal people not bought in to the ethical standards of your field to care much at this point
After 25 years saying otherwise the AAP doesn't think it matters if your baby can see your mouth anymore, etc. That faith in medical authority is really really fractured
After 25 years saying otherwise the AAP doesn't think it matters if your baby can see your mouth anymore, etc. That faith in medical authority is really really fractured
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:24 pm to GumboPot
Not guilty
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:25 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
whataboutism
Is this not exactly what your hypothetical about the MMR vaccine is?
You're arguing a strawman to a situation that hasn't occurred (slippery slope), when this is a specific situation regarding an unproven vaccine.
ETA: I have no moral objection to what the physician did, but it's clearly against the law
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:29 pm to GumboPot
This is only okay when big Pharma and the government do it.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
I don’t agree with COVID mandates. That said, what happens when someone like the Doc in OP is a legitimate anti-vaxxer and wants to do this with an MMR because they believe it causes autism?
now who is going down the slippery slope? you are a fricking hypocrite of the highest order.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:30 pm to notsince98
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:31 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:It had occurred and caused big issues for California and is the reason for measles outbreaks with kids. There is no “slippery slope”. It’s already happened
You're arguing a strawman to a situation that hasn't occurred (slippery slope)
Doctors are going so far as selling medical exemptions
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:33 pm to notsince98
quote:
now who is going down the slippery slope? you are a fricking hypocrite of the highest order.
I'm not a hypocrite at all.
There have legitimately been measles outbreaks (and measles will actually kill a kid) over kids not getting vaccinated as they should for public school attendance. All because a UK scientist Andrew Wakefield, claimed they caused Autism and manufactured research that has since been debunked.
We caught two families in a school I worked in that falsified vaccination records for whooping cough when an outbreak occurred that started with one of their kids. A doctor signed off on those and he lost his license.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:33 pm to MugMan
You do know that plastic surgeons are medical doctors right?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:40 pm to lsupride87
quote:
It had occurred and caused big issues for California and is the reason for measles outbreaks with kids. There is no “slippery slope”. It’s already happened
Okay, so it's not a slippery slope. It's still apples to oranges. Do you think that the MMR vaccine and the COVID vaccine should be viewed the same?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:42 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
The number of vapid people in line to give their little ones a vaccine they don't need was pretty staggering. Maybe a few of them are fearful, but I just don't see a way around most of them doing it solely to be viewed as intelligent/progressive/etc. and separate themselves from the unwashed.
Social media virtue signaling is a huge part of this too.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:52 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:In terms of “you shouldn’t mandate it in my kids!”, yes, it absolutely should. It’s completely hypocritical to say “vaccine mandates are wrong”, yet only mean it when you personally care
Do you think that the MMR vaccine and the COVID vaccine should be viewed the same?
I think private business, and govt related entities, should have every right to mandate vaccines, whether or not I am for or against that vaccine.
I think it’s horseshite when the govt tells a business they have to mandate it though.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
Just to clarify, you think a vaccine that has been proven to work for 50+ years should be treated the same as a vaccine that we aren't even sure works at all?
Also want to point out that I never once said in this thread that vaccine mandates are wrong, or that the physician didn't break the law.
Also want to point out that I never once said in this thread that vaccine mandates are wrong, or that the physician didn't break the law.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:56 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Let me clarify:
Just to clarify, you think a vaccine that has been proven to work for 50+ years should be treated the same as a vaccine that we aren't even sure works at all?
You either have the right to mandate vaccines, or you don’t. Period. It has nothing to do with how anyone feels about the particular vaccine
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:56 pm to lsupride87
quote:
govt related entities, should have every right to mandate vaccines
Ok, and when the mandate is shown to be highly reckless for at least some groups, what should the population do, and what should providers do?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:57 pm to GumboPot
Heroes. 
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
If this was anything other than a COVID shot y’all would be ready to throw them in jail for negligence.
Well, yeah, of course it's different for the COVID vaccine than other areas of practicing medicine
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