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re: Utah man tests limits of electric truck by towing 10,000lbs until it dies
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:31 pm to tigeraddict
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:31 pm to tigeraddict
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100 miles during the winter. So what would the mpg be for a ICE truck pulling the same weight? Say he only gets 10 mpg, or 10 gallons. About $30. So saves $17 but trip takes an extra 1hr15m. Plus time to get on and off road to charge up So a 92m drive at 65mph took twice as long…….
That should be a question on the ACT or SAT.
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:36 pm to AndyCBR
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Also check in to insurance costs for that Tesla. Very expensive to insure and very difficult to get collision parts to fix.
Insurance on a 2017 Lexus IS350 was the exact same as a brand new Model 3 LR w/FSD package.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:39 pm to greygoose
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Batteries are the Achilles Heal of used electric vehicles. Big bucks to replace.
A couple things:
1 Battery health is completely quantifiable on an EV just like it is on your cell phone
2 no one talks about the salvage value of the existing degraded battery pack
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:51 pm to Street Hawk
Electric vehicles will be like cell phones... degrading batteries, updating software, older models not supported, unable to be tinkered with. These break the cycle... buy, use until resell, trade, or pass on. Things just keep getting less useful and more like renting than owning
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:54 pm to ironwood
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Things just keep getting less useful and more like renting than owning
Preach it brotha
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:57 pm to ironwood
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Electric vehicles will be like cell phones... degrading batteries, updating software, older models not supported, unable to be tinkered with. These break the cycle... buy, use until resell, trade, or pass on. Things just keep getting less useful and more like renting than owning
There’s a shite ton of money going into companies that are looking to repower EVs and repurpose degraded batteries as grid interconnected storage. I don’t think these are going to be as disposable as people think. The rest of the power trains are quite reliable with high mileage potential.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:00 pm to billjamin
quote:You can buy an Iphone X for $225-$250 on Ebay. The cost to replace the battery is about $70. So, for less than $350 you can have a phone that was selling for almost $1000 just a few years ago. Now do cars. Used electric car are still selling at a premium. The cost to replace the batteries on a Tesla?
A couple things:
1 Battery health is completely quantifiable on an EV just like it is on your cell phone
2 no one talks about the salvage value of the existing degraded battery pack
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So, how much is Tesla battery replacement cost for Model 3? For many years, the Model 3 was the most well-liked electric vehicle on the planet. Yet, despite being widely used, it is uncommon to learn that a Model 3’s battery needs replacement. But that can happen!
The cost of Model 3 battery may cost over $13,500. You can expect the labor charge to be around $2,300. So, the total cost of battery replacement may range around $15,800.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:04 pm to greygoose
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The cost to replace the batteries on a Tesla?
I still see no mention of the salvage value of the battery. Also, what’s the time frame where the battery is expected to reach a degradation point that it needs to be replaced?
ETA also as noted the power unit health is accessible on the dash. That’s an EV only feature.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:13 pm to greygoose
My point is, if you are going to buy a used car, a gas burner makes a damn lot of sense of an EV. EVs are throw away cars, based on the cost of the batteries and the labor. Meanwhile, a used ICE will enjoy the depreciation and not need $15K of parts and labor to keep it on the road.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:30 pm to greygoose
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My point is, if you are going to buy a used car, a gas burner makes a damn lot of sense of an EV. EVs are throw away cars, based on the cost of the batteries and the labor. Meanwhile, a used ICE will enjoy the depreciation and not need $15K of parts and labor to keep it on the road.
My point is, that used EV will tell you exactly how much life is left in the power unit. There’s no way to know that on an ICE. You can leak down, compression test all you want. But it’s not early as precise as the degradation data that’s available on the main dash menu on an EV. Also, that 15k still does not take into account the salvage value of the existing battery than at 70% remaining capacity will be $7-8k.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:32 pm to greygoose
I just don't see how the resale value doesn't go to shite once people start realizing this. We don't have a lot of old EVs on the road now. But Tesla's battery warranty is 100-150k or 8 years. Would you buy a 5 yr old used Tesla with 90k miles on it?
A 5 yr old used 4 Runner with 90k miles doesn't have near the same risk imo.
A 5 yr old used 4 Runner with 90k miles doesn't have near the same risk imo.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:40 pm to fallguy_1978
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But Tesla's battery warranty is 100-150k or 8 years. Would you buy a 5 yr old used Tesla with 90k miles on it?
But what’s the actual power unit health? There are some Teslas with 90k miles that I would buy and there are some Toyotas with 90k miles I certainly would not buy. It’s all about the individual car and how it was taken care of. That’s always been critical when buying used cars.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:41 pm to TheAlmightySmash
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$70k truck with a 100 mile limit lol
Try $85K.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:42 pm to concrete_tiger
PT = Pound Town
I joke, PT is physical training-military term for working out
I joke, PT is physical training-military term for working out
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:49 pm to billjamin
It will be interesting to see after this initial fleet ages. I know they've been around a bit longer but not really mass owned.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:49 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:Exactly my point. A Tesla 3 starts at
I just don't see how the resale value doesn't go to shite once people start realizing this. We don't have a lot of old EVs on the road now. But Tesla's battery warranty is 100-150k or 8 years. Would you buy a 5 yr old used Tesla with 90k miles on it?
A 5 yr old used 4 Runner with 90k miles doesn't have near the same risk imo.
$63K. The person that buys it, isn't keeping it like they would a Toyota, Honda, or even a Ford. You buy one of those with 70K miles, you EXPECT another 40 or 60K miles before something like an alternator or water pump goes bad. With an EV, you know the batteries have a shelf life, even with the best driving and maintenance, then you are looking at a $15K+ repair bill.
How may 100K miles EVs are roaming the roads right now? My 2006 F150 has 109K miles on it, and still going strong.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:04 pm to greygoose
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How may 100K miles EVs are roaming the roads right now?
More than you think. What do you think the typical power unit health is for a Tesla at 100k, 150k, 200k?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:21 pm to billjamin
quote:Considering the mileage constraints of an EV, I highly doubt there are any 150K EVs on the road. But......I drive around with a shite ton of ICE cars and trucks with that many mile, or more, everyday. Considering the cost, is it really more affordable to buy and EV over an ICE, over time?
More than you think. What do you think the typical power unit health is for a Tesla at 100k, 150k, 200k?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:41 pm to billjamin
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Insurance on a 2017 Lexus IS350 was the exact same as a brand new Model 3 LR w/FSD package.
Doesn't change the fact:
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difficult to get collision parts to fix.
Tell me where that Tesla will be at 150k miles (roughly 10 years average use) with a battery pack that needs to be replaced versus the Lexus.
I'm listening.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:45 pm to greygoose
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Considering the mileage constraints of an EV, I highly doubt there are any 150K EVs on the road.
There are plenty. Thousands of Teslas that I have direct access to.
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Considering the cost, is it really more affordable to buy and EV over an ICE, over time?
Depends on your use case. It’s not an absolute win for either.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 11:48 pm
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