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re: Utah man tests limits of electric truck by towing 10,000lbs until it dies
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:47 pm to redstick13
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:47 pm to redstick13
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At some point they will become more attractive as resales due to the fact that they have vastly fewer moving parts to replace.
So says you. It remains to be seen in reality.
Your infatuation with moving parts is curious. Whilst at the same time ignoring the source of power for EV's is non-renewable and has a finite life(fixed number of charge cycles) and declining life while in service.
What do you have to gain by promoting this inferior technology?
Do you yourself own an EV since you are such a believer?
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:47 pm to AndyCBR
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Tell me where that Tesla will be at 150k miles (roughly 10 years average use) with a battery pack that needs to be replaced versus the Lexus.
Interesting pivot after being proven wrong on the insurance point. But I’ll go there. Why do you think the Tesla needs a new ess unit at 150k? Please explain degradation to me like I don’t have a Tesla data repository log in and monitor their entire fleet or have 10 IE reports on it.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:51 pm to TomBuchanan
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That thing sailing over your head is the point
Nah. I got it
In all of its sophomoric banality.
No one claimed that electric was appropriate for heavy long hauls.
And yet the OT still hates on its existence in capacity.
I dunno if it’s just hating electric in general or if they like to pretend they are hauling a fifth wheel every time they get in a pickup they use to commute to the office.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:54 pm to billjamin
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Interesting pivot after being proven wrong on the insurance point. But I’ll go there. Why do you think the Tesla needs a new ess unit at 150k? Please explain degradation to me like I don’t have a Tesla data repository log in and monitor their entire fleet or have 10 IE reports on it.
Whatever dude, it's the internet.
I suppose you have a Gigafactory in your backyard too.
The EV battery life is finite, you know that, so quit deflecting.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:56 pm to AndyCBR
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Do you yourself own an EV since you are such a believer?
No I don’t. In fact, I work in O&G and have no reason to support the tech. It’s an emerging technology and I recognize it for what it is. My fascination with moving parts lies in the fact that I work with high tech downhole drilling equipment and the ones that run off off lithium batteries with the fewest number of moving parts are typically more reliable.
K.I.S.S.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 12:00 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:58 pm to AndyCBR
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the source of power for EV's is non-renewable
Pretty much everything in an ev battery is infinitely recyclable.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:03 am to AndyCBR
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I suppose you have a Gigafactory in your backyard too
Nope, but Elon gave me and engineers from JPM and BoA a personal tour of Giga in Sparks.
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The EV battery life is finite, you know that, so quit deflecting.
They do, I’ve never denied that. But you can’t quantify that and have no understanding of what that useful life is beyond a couple Twitter posts. I’m happy to educate those about the pros and cons that are willing to listen and have thoughtful conversations.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:04 am to redstick13
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lies in the fact that I work with high tech downhole drilling equipment and the ones that run off off lithium batteries with least amount of moving parts are typically more reliable.
Yeah I heard the industry has shifted to rotary steerable assemblies.
Back when I worked in the "high-tech downhole industry" it was mud motors, slide and rotate with measurements 30-60 feet behind the bit.
Glad I got out, day rates were great when you worked but layoffs every 7-10 years sucked if you caught a down cycle.
My take on the EV thing, let the market sort it out and let consumers decide what they want. Using the government to demonize one industry while subsidizing the other is not a level playing field.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:07 am to billjamin
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They do, I’ve never denied that. But you can’t quantify that and have no understanding of what that useful life is beyond a couple Twitter posts. I’m happy to educate those about the pros and cons that are willing to listen and have thoughtful conversations.
People like you love to convince everybody that everybody else needs "educating".
If the EV technology is so fantastic, why does the government need to be involved in preventing the manufacture of ICE vehicles?
If the EV technology is so superior it should be able to stand on its own. Investors should be lining up and not need government requirements to foster this change.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 12:09 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:12 am to AndyCBR
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Yeah I heard the industry has shifted to rotary steerable assemblies
Rotary steerable systems are used in less than 20% of horizontal wells drilled in the US. I”m currently drilling 2 mile laterals with motors and lithium powered MWD tools.
Offshore and international operations are much more likely to use RSS but most of the US land work is modern high performance mud motors, agitators and surface oscillation systems.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 12:14 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:12 am to Korkstand
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Pretty much everything in an ev battery is infinitely recyclable.
Ah, but is it actually recycled?
I would venture to guess the majority of the LI batteries in consumer electronics end up in a landfill.
Do you have any evidence of an actual EV battery recycling program that actually works versus just shipping the waste to developing countries?
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:14 am to AndyCBR
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If the EV technology is so fantastic, why does the government need to be involved in preventing the manufacture of ICE vehicles?
I don’t see how this changes actual performance data. If you want to have a conversation, that’s different but using it as a distraction from degradation is disingenuous.
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If the EV technology is so superior it should be able to stand on its own. Investors should be lining up and not need government requirements to foster this change.[
Investors are lines up and have been. That’s actually what I do. Technical diligence for finance for the energy sector. The misunderstanding of targets and mandates drives a lot of confusion combined with a bit of confirmation bias.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 12:16 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:15 am to redstick13
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Rotary steerable systems are used in less than 20% of horizontal wells drilled in the US. I”m currently drilling 2 mile laterals with motors and lithium powered MWD tools.
Offshore and international operations are much more likely to use RSS systems but most of the US land work is modern high performance mud motors, agitators and surface oscillation systems.
Laterals and horizontals are not the whole of the Directional Drilling industry.
Good luck in your MWD/LWD shack.
I certainly don't miss it.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:18 am to AndyCBR
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Do you have any evidence of an actual EV battery recycling program that actually works versus just shipping the waste to developing countries?
We’re decades from needing recycling. It’s a moot point. Degraded units have significant commercial value left in them, then we can discuss that but it won’t be in our life’s times.
This post was edited on 1/15/23 at 12:18 am
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:20 am to AndyCBR
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Laterals and horizontals are not the whole of the Directional Drilling industry.
Not quite, only 97% of the wells currently drilled in the US are horizontal wells. It sounds like you’ve been out of the industry for a minute and that you are happy for it.
Good for you.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:21 am to billjamin
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I don’t see how this changes actual performance data. If you want to have a conversation about that’s a different conversation but using it as a distraction from degradation is disingenuous.
The performance data is not there in many applications. Just because it benefits you financially doesn't make it so.
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Investors are lines up and have been. That’s actually what I do. Technical diligence for finance for the energy sector. The misunderstanding of targets and mandates drives a lot of confusion combined with a bit of confirmation bias.
I would expect so with an administration who is openly hostile to O&G and is setting mileage benchmarks for ICE vehicles that are not feasible.
It's a stacked deck and the government is picking winners and losers.
Again, it's not a good thing just because you stand to gain financially from it.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:23 am to AndyCBR
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Ah, but is it actually recycled?
I would venture to guess the majority of the LI batteries in consumer electronics end up in a landfill.
Consumer electronics probably do end up in a landfill, yes. EV batteries are obviously much more valuable. I don't know whether the majority of spent ones are currently reconditioned, repurposed, or recycled, but I doubt very many are dumped in a landfill. I suspect that some are presently in storage awaiting a bigger wave of spent batteries to hit the market which will kickstart the re-* industries. We may still be 5-10 years away from having enough of them available for the economics to work out and compete with mining new materials.
Would be quite foolish to toss thousands of dollars worth of material.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:23 am to redstick13
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Not quite, only 97% of the wells currently drilled in the US are horizontal wells. It sounds like you’ve been out of the industry for a minute and that you are happy for it.
Good for you.
Land operations within the US are not the whole of the Directional Drilling Industry.
Good luck in your career, maybe you can aspire to be a directional driller someday.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:28 am to AndyCBR
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Good luck in your career, maybe you can aspire to be a directional driller someday.
That’s my dream.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:32 am to AndyCBR
You have zero clue what you’re talking about. I really don’t care to argue it. Keep on keeping on. Maybe one day I’ll have the time to properly engage. Otherwise I’m happy to let the ignorant remain that way. It makes my life easier.
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