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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:21 pm to TheDiesel
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:21 pm to TheDiesel
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Why do you feel entitled to your employer paying for your insurance after you retire?
Entitlement? Or desire not to give it up?
A lot of guys had the opportunity to leave at some point in their career and stayed around. Late in their career the rules were changed and they feel like they were shafted.
ETA: when they did it to salary positions they bitched just as much. This is just a public stage.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 8:23 pm
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:22 pm to TheDiesel
If you work for them forever, why not?
My non unionized corporate oil and gas job offers this
Besides it's just secondary insurance after Medicare
My non unionized corporate oil and gas job offers this
Besides it's just secondary insurance after Medicare
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:25 pm to tankyank13
I will say that using insurance upon retirement as an incentive to keep employees aboard for many years to keep knowledge base high and then pulling it from guys about to retire is BS. And that has happened to a lot of non-union people in the last few years.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:28 pm to tankyank13
Probably right, you'll be the one crossing the picket lines for what your elders and fathers built. Your part of the problem, when your out there tuning a valve or swapping a pump, post a selfie for us to see.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:28 pm to Paige
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My non unionized corporate oil and gas job offers this
What kind of job do you have?
I haven't chimed in on this thread, but in general I agree with many others that think unions are not needed these days. The safety is more than adequate regardless of union facilities or not. And the wages take care of themselves with supply and demand.
I do contracts for projects and the god damn primadonna welders and pipe fitters are enough to drive anyone crazy. $38 an hour st is not good enough. $125 a day per diem is not good enough. Give me my extra for night shift and give me more because I had to park offsite. And give me more because I'm working hard and shite.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:30 pm to notiger1997
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primadonna welders and pipe fitters are enough to drive anyone crazy. $38 an hour st is not good enough. $125 a day per diem is not good enough. Give me my extra for night shift and give me more because I had to park offsite. And give me more because I'm working hard and shite.
Kind of sounds like you have deeper problems. Welders are demanding those prices because of supply and demand.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:37 pm to fightin tigers
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Welders are demanding those prices because of supply and demand.
Exactly. And in this environment, more power to them.
I just don't see the need for a union to be involved in the labor market these days.
I listened to a contract planner on the phone last week talk to a recruiter about his next gig. He was looking for $80 an hour straight time and sounded like he was going to it. I can promise he isn't part of a union.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:38 pm to Marathonops
Where i work, salaried employees on TA are required to take fatigue days as well.
And they arent compensated monetarily by any means for working every day during a TA event
And they arent compensated monetarily by any means for working every day during a TA event
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:40 pm to jimjackandjose
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And they arent compensated monetarily by any means for working every day during a TA event
Trust me, they bitch about it just as much. I hear it from ever one I talk to.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:40 pm to notiger1997
I deal with contracts at a local facility and it's amazing what these people demand. Their productivity is crap but they expect you to pay more for their shitty effort. No thanks.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:40 pm to jimjackandjose
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Where i work, salaried employees on TA are required to take fatigue days as well.
And they arent compensated monetarily by any means for working every day during a TA event
Where I've been involved, the labor folks all had to do a fatigue day and none were union.
I also noticed that the salaried people who worked over a set number of hours were given either PTO or extra pay.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:43 pm to notiger1997
Most are given some form of comp time off. But it is usually .25:1 for OT hrs.
Have seen salaried people leave over this. No union needed. They set the market themselves
Have seen salaried people leave over this. No union needed. They set the market themselves
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:43 pm to Clark W Griswold
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Their productivity is crap
Yep. They def. have the upper hand for now. Total fcking crap from a quality standpoint. Extra pay, double time, completion bonuses,etc. Still end up with fcktards all over the place.
I don't for a minute hope for these low oil prices to stay like this for our region, but I would like to get a few laughs in at some of these labor guys.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:46 pm to fightin tigers
Who cares if they bitch. Marathonops was trying to prove some point about how he is getting the shaft having to take a day off and salary people dont
People can bitch all day, the ones who find satisfaction also know who pays the bills. And bitching never paid a one
People can bitch all day, the ones who find satisfaction also know who pays the bills. And bitching never paid a one
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:46 pm to notiger1997
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Extra pay, double time, completion bonuses,etc. Still end up with fcktards all over the place.
So, you are pretty much confirming that more money needs to be thrown out to get better hands.
Again, you can cut pay for any job and still get someone to fill the position. The quality of the job will slip, hopefully it isn't on anything important.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:48 pm to jimjackandjose
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Who cares if they bitch.
Well, the vast majority in this thread seem concerned with union members bitching.
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And bitching never paid a one
Well, that is just false
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:49 pm to jimjackandjose
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Most are given some form of comp time off. But it is usually .25:1 for OT hrs. Have seen salaried people leave over this. No union needed. They set the market themselves
Yep. Supervision on salary doesn't make it up during turnaround. Only benefit and reason people still go for the promotion is their pension is based off of base salary.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:54 pm to fightin tigers
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Again, you can cut pay for any job and still get someone to fill the position. The quality of the job will slip, hopefully it isn't on anything important.
Again, why is a union needed if the market is driving these kind of decisions?
In late October and early November, the hands were walking off of jobs left and right in Texas due to crazy demand. I hope they save some of the cash, because by this fall they aren't going to be such demanding folks is what I'm guessing.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:02 pm to notiger1997
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Again, why is a union needed if the market is driving these kind of decisions?
Based off of what the previous poster said it isn't happening.
Despite the high prices being paid out he cannot get quality work. Knowing some of the risks involved it might not be a good idea to allow companies to find that bottom line.
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In late October and early November, the hands were walking off of jobs left and right in Texas due to crazy demand. I hope they save some of the cash, because by this fall they aren't going to be such demanding folks is what I'm guessing.
It would be the same result for them if they stayed or walked. They are overhead.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:28 pm to MikeD
Supervision here gets paid for every hour they work over there regular scheduled day but he had to work 14 straight in a row to be included in the bonus plan. So if the salary people get included in the fatigue policy there goes that overtime they make. They get paid straight time for every hour they work plus there weekly salary. You want a salary job come apply, as far as USW, Come on in!!
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