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re: USS Antietam runs aground
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:34 am to PJinAtl
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:34 am to PJinAtl
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When visiting foreign ports, do Navy ships not bring aboard a local pilot to guide them in like you see here in the states with the big freighters taking on local pilots to bring them up the Mississippi to NOLA, into Charleston, etc.?
Not just foreign ports... there are harbor pilots at stateside naval bases as well. They may have had a pilot onboard or it's possible that they hadn't made it to the point where the pilot would come on the ship yet.
Either way, in the eyes of the navy, this falls on the captain. He's done.
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:35 am to Tigeralum2008
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running aground off the coast of Japan.
How can that possibly happen with the technology that exists today.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:38 am to kywildcatfanone
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How can that possibly happen with the technology that exists today.
Lots of ways.
Currents could have been stronger than anticipated which pushed the ship into known rocks/sand bars
Nav maps may have been outdated and the ship expected a deeper channel at that location
Ship may have suffered some form of repair issue that restricted its ability to control movement
bad GPS fix and terrible line of sight navigation with known shore markers
Drunk Harbor pilot (happens more than you know)
Language barrier with local pilot
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:39 am to Drop4Loss
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They didnt have the Garmin on ?
No they no have that.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:42 am to Tigeralum2008
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Which collision were you involved in? What happened?
USS Philadelphia in 2005. We were in the Persian Gulf transiting into Bahrain on the surface at night. We weren't running the sub ID beacon because of security concerns. Some big merchant ship thought we were a dow or something. Our tracking party originally got the merchant ship mixed up with a stationary rig.
A lot of dumb shite went wrong all at once and the next thing you know there's a ship running over the back of the boat. The merchant ship got stuck on top of us, swung sideways and our fairwater plane ripped a huge gash down the side of their hull. We got pushed down into the water far enough were the COW told the people in control to start cutting all the wires to the bridge and to get the hatches shut.
After sitting there for a while my chief recommended opening aft vents by hand to sink the arse end down enough to get us out from under the merchant ship. Me, him, and another A-ganger opened the vents and we were able to free ourselves.
Then we went to Bahrain, a bunch of higher ups came down, questions were asked, the CO got shitcanned, we did some temporary repairs, and went home.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:54 am to terd ferguson
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USS Philadelphia in 2005. We were in the Persian Gulf transiting into Bahrain on the surface at night. We weren't running the sub ID beacon because of security concerns. Some big merchant ship thought we were a dow or something. Our tracking party originally got the merchant ship mixed up with a stationary rig.
A lot of dumb shite went wrong all at once and the next thing you know there's a ship running over the back of the boat. The merchant ship got stuck on top of us, swung sideways and our fairwater plane ripped a huge gash down the side of their hull. We got pushed down into the water far enough were the COW told the people in control to start cutting all the wires to the bridge and to get the hatches shut.
After sitting there for a while my chief recommended opening aft vents by hand to sink the arse end down enough to get us out from under the merchant ship. Me, him, and another A-ganger opened the vents and we were able to free ourselves.
Then we went to Bahrain, a bunch of higher ups came down, questions were asked, the CO got shitcanned, we did some temporary repairs, and went home.
Jesus, y'all could have lost the ship if that merchie was larger/heavy enough to penetrate the hull.
Was no one on the scope #1? Ours had night vision, I'm assuming yours did as well.
Worst event we had was a combo Rx scram/fire drill. We were snorkeling with the Diesel when the COOW started a 1/3 trim. He pumped water into Aux Tank #1 and forgot about it. Eventually the tank overflowed into the snorkel, flooding out the Diesel and dumping 20K gallons of seawater into our fan room.
Main fans became pumps and sent seawater through our ventilation system to all points of the ship.
Torpedoman of the Watch earned a medal when he quickly isolated the vents to the batteries and threw a mattress overtop the batt hatch. Would have had Chlorine gas in the FCLL had he not done that.
The COOW was the LPO for A-gang. He got 30/30 and reduction in rank to E5. Lost his watch quals in everything and had to earn them back
It was the weirdest damn thing hearing seawater swishing through our vent system.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:08 am to Tigeralum2008
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Jesus, y'all could have lost the ship if that merchie was larger/heavy enough to penetrate the hull.
We were a DDS boat. During a normal deployment the DDS would have been installed. Luckily on that deployment it was left off. When the DDS is on, we'd leave the hatches open going up to the shelter and the shelter outer door acted as our hatch to keep seawater out.
The merchant hit us at the exact spot where the DDS would sit. It would have breached the shelter and with those hatches open seawater would have come pouring in. I have serious doubts that we would have been able to recover from a casualty like that.
Here's a pic of the DDS installed (I think this is the USS Dallas but we were the exact same. The Dallas and the Philly were the 2 DDS boats at that time). You can see the large door on the DDS. Under normal operating that door would have been shut and the 2 hatches leading down into the sub would have been open.
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Here's a pic of the Philly after the collision. You can see where the merchant ran over us. That hatch in the photo is where the DDS mates up and would have been open if the DDS was installed.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:09 am to Tigeralum2008
Damn you boys had it rough, the worse thing that happened to us was a miscalculation by the DOOW that put us at about a 35-40 degree down angle during angles and dangles. I was standing watch in maneuvering as the EO and nearly shite my pants as the digital depth gauge just happened to turn off as well. First real time seeing a back emergency bell ring up 
Pearl Harbor never found out about that
To your note about DDS, us and the Greenville were designed for ASDS. Same sort of deal where the hatches wouldn't be closed... anywho, 3 days before deployment with ASDS they perform a battery charge for it in an adjacent hanger bay. It literally blew up.
Had the battery lasted 1 more charge until it blew up, the USS Charlotte would be in 4,000 ft of water right now off of Hawai'i
Pearl Harbor never found out about that
To your note about DDS, us and the Greenville were designed for ASDS. Same sort of deal where the hatches wouldn't be closed... anywho, 3 days before deployment with ASDS they perform a battery charge for it in an adjacent hanger bay. It literally blew up.
Had the battery lasted 1 more charge until it blew up, the USS Charlotte would be in 4,000 ft of water right now off of Hawai'i
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:13 am to Tigeralum2008
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Worst event we had was a combo Rx scram/fire drill. We were snorkeling with the Diesel when the COOW started a 1/3 trim. He pumped water into Aux Tank #1 and forgot about it. Eventually the tank overflowed into the snorkel, flooding out the Diesel and dumping 20K gallons of seawater into our fan room.
SSBN? It's been a long time since I learned those systems... do you remember how/where Aux 1 tied into the snorkel? Is that where the snorkel drained? I don't remember anymore.
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Main fans became pumps and sent seawater through our ventilation system to all points of the ship.
Torpedoman of the Watch earned a medal when he quickly isolated the vents to the batteries and threw a mattress overtop the batt hatch. Would have had Chlorine gas in the FCLL had he not done that.
GET THAT MAN A MEDAL!
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:13 am to TheGasMan
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Damn you boys had it rough, the worse thing that happened to us was a miscalculation by the DOOW that put us at about a 35-40 degree down angle during angles and dangles. I was standing watch in maneuvering as the EO and nearly shite my pants as the digital depth gauge just happened to turn off as well. First real time seeing a back emergency bell ring up
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TheGasMan
Get the frick outta here you weird AF nuke... Y'all were probably all naked and tinkling each other's balls back there when the Bell order came up.
Thank God Terd and I were both nuke waste
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:15 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:17 am to terd ferguson
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It's been a long time since I learned those systems... do you remember how/where Aux 1 tied into the snorkel? Is that where the snorkel drained? I don't remember anymore.
Pittsburgh, SSN-720
Snorkel drained into Aux #1 (I think it was aux 1). We had a nub stationed at a window watching the snorkel and looking for the exact thing that happened (excess seawater in the snorkel) but he wasn't paying attention. He got 180 continuous days of cranking after that.
I shite you not, our fan room had 4' of water in it before we noticed anything
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:18 am to TheGasMan
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To your note about DDS, us and the Greenville were designed for ASDS. Same sort of deal where the hatches wouldn't be closed... anywho, 3 days before deployment with ASDS they perform a battery charge for it in an adjacent hanger bay. It literally blew up.
Had the battery lasted 1 more charge until it blew up, the USS Charlotte would be in 4,000 ft of water right now off of Hawai'i
I think every sub guy has AT LEAST one "remember that time we almost died?" story.
I've seen flooding, fire, and collision. That general alarm starts going off and everybody says "this better not be another goddamn drill". Then you realize it's not another goddamn drill and wish it was.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:19 am to terd ferguson
i hear all navy guys like it up the pooper, is that true terd?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:22 am to Tigeralum2008
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We had a nub stationed at a window watching the snorkel and looking for the exact thing that happened (excess seawater in the snorkel) but he wasn't paying attention.
How the frick do you not notice that much water?
On the flip side though... I can't tell you how many fricking times I'd start adding water to the scrubbers and forget about that shite. You don't notice until the entire fwd compartment smells like amine.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:22 am to PJinAtl
Not a dumb question. I was wondering the same thing.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:22 am to CarRamrod
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i hear all navy guys like it up the pooper, is that true terd?
Yes, we LOVE sticking it up your wife's pooper
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:23 am to CarRamrod
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i hear all navy guys like it up the pooper, is that true terd?
We call those guys Sonar Techs
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:24 am to terd ferguson
For real though! We dumped all the refrigerant of an R114 during field day one time due to a nub cracking the sight glass of the compressor. Spent those 6 hours of watch in an EAB. Always fun.
Also had a fire while we were surfaced on the North Pole. Water ran down the hatch straight into an electrical outlet outside of the XOs stateroom. It took all of 1 CO2 extinguisher
. But nevertheless hearing "Fire Fire Fire" over the 1MC while in 6ft of ice on the North Pole will make you shite your pants as well.
Also had a fire while we were surfaced on the North Pole. Water ran down the hatch straight into an electrical outlet outside of the XOs stateroom. It took all of 1 CO2 extinguisher
. But nevertheless hearing "Fire Fire Fire" over the 1MC while in 6ft of ice on the North Pole will make you shite your pants as well.This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:28 am to Tigeralum2008
quote:you dont know my wife.
Yes, we LOVE sticking it up your wife's pooper
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