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Posted on 8/7/26 at 1:06 pm to neverputstheseatdown
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The data needs to be maintained by a third-party and only access through warrants or through some other emergency procedure.
So let's collect all the data from all the people, and assume only people authorized to see it, will see if... If anyone wants to see how that played out previously, google "general warrant".
Also, you're creating a huge honey pot for hackers and huge liability for every jurisdiction that uses it when (not if) it gets leaked, with huge databases of information on every completely innocent civilian, including kids. Keep in mind these readers pick up far, far more than a static picture of a license plate, and their condor systems and drones pick up even more still, including Bluetooth data, thermal imaging, cellphone data. You're talking clothing, symbols, skin color, clothing, addresses, typical travel paths, school drops, all time and location stamped.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 1:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
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What's the utility of using a system that's far more invasive (flock cameras) than previous technology, but is functionally only as good as the previous system, but with far more downsides? I am struggling to see the justification for this system in a functional sense, and that's ignoring the legal and constitutional issues.
Whats the utility of blaming a system for a specific incident just because you hate it when you know it wasn’t the true cause of the issue. Plate readers, calling in plates, and getting bad or expired data on those plates from other police departments all existed before Flock and independent of Flock.
There have been errors made by cops calling in plates or manually entering in the plates that have caused similar issues. There was something like that in Frisco, Texas several years ago where a female cop used the wrong state of the plate or something like that making it look like fake plates on a stolen vehicle. Car got pulled over at gun point. Plate readers have actually helped to avoid human errors like this, but neither readers or humans entering the plates correctly can avoid bad data left in place by other cops or other authorities.
Before Flock I was pulled over for bad data in the system. It just incorrectly stated that I had an expired registration, so I was only pulled over to get a ticket for expired registration not with guns drawn for being an expected murderer (wasn’t even speeding or anything else but just had plates run by a cop behind me at a stop light).
Regardless of what you selectively chose to quote from article it wasn’t a Flock camera error, but it was a police reporting error which needs to be corrected as it could have ended much worse regardless of how the plate was called in. If police are going to flag a vehicle for a homicide they better damn well remove it immediately once it’s been cleared. That is the issue here.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/7/26 at 7:55 pm to dallastigers
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Whats the utility of blaming a system for a specific incident just because you hate it when you know it wasn’t the true cause of the issue. Plate readers, calling in plates, and getting bad or expired data on those plates from other police departments all existed before Flock and independent of Flock.
None of what you posted answers the question of how these are justified. The question still stands, if flock isn't any better than the previous system of having local PD call in a license plate, and the system has far more vulnerabilities, more legal and constitutional downsides (if constitutional at all), why are our tax dollars going to it again, against public will?
Posted on 8/7/26 at 11:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
Hopefully they get paid.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 12:07 am to NYNolaguy1
Politics will keep them in place because they get paid to. Regardless of what voters want.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:24 am to Boston911
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This isn’t a Flock failure, it’s a failure on behalf of the agency who didn’t remove the plate off the hot list. The cameras did what they were programmed to do
Lol wtf kind of point is this
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:41 am to NYNolaguy1
The guy that they held at gunpoint was probably one of the cops ex old lady’s new man
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:43 am to NYNolaguy1
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I'd rather have some crime with more freedom than vice versa, but that's just me.
Until facial recognition technology works on crime people and doesn’t identify them as a large mammal that doesn’t live on this continent then flock cameras are just another tax on productive citizens
Posted on 8/8/26 at 7:47 am to NYNolaguy1
This is a nothing burger.
What if the cops saw the car and ran the plates with no flock camera involved?
They would do the same thing.
What if the cops saw the car and ran the plates with no flock camera involved?
They would do the same thing.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:04 am to MasterAbe1
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every 1 criminal it helps to catch it violates the freedoms of Thousands of Americans.
Surprised they haven't federalized the flock cameras under homeland security and the patriot act.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:10 am to chryso
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How many of you are going to take down the cameras outside your house?
I'm not, but im not logging license plates and storing descriptions of cars and people walking down the street when they do pick up someone. And selling that info.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 8:47 am to UptownJoeBrown
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This is a nothing burger.
What if the cops saw the car and ran the plates with no flock camera involved?
They would do the same thing.
No one seems to be able to answer the question.... If the system is only as good as what it's supposed to replace, with far more downsides, questionable cyber security and constitutionality, and the public doesn't want it, and it gets installed anyway.... Why is it there?
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:11 am to NYNolaguy1
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If the system is only as good as what it's supposed to replace, with far more downsides
You are starting with opinions, not facts.
Can you answer this question?
If the system has more capabilities than the one it replaces, with far more upside, along with some downside ...
I am not claiming that either is true.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:12 am to GregMaddux
quote:The point is, no matter what camera system if the dept doesn’t do what they are supposed to do, these things can happen,,,this is a human failure, not a camera issue
Lol wtf kind of point is this
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:22 am to NYNolaguy1
Having guns drawn on you twice in a week? Damn. Should have danced the second time and gone viral.
These type cameras will be sending you tickets in the mail in no time, probably for illegal lane violation.
These type cameras will be sending you tickets in the mail in no time, probably for illegal lane violation.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 9:26 am to Boston911
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do, these things can happen,,,this is a human failure, not a camera issue
The way government handles this situation is taking away the offending product from citizens that can handle the responsibility.
Good suffer for the bad.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 10:44 am to fightin tigers
quote:You do realize that if the dept didn’t remove the bolo, a beat cop could have seen the vehicle with the same outcome ???
The way government handles this situation is taking away the offending product from citizens that can handle the responsibility.
Posted on 8/8/26 at 10:58 am to Boston911
If we didnt have the cameras this wouldn't have happened
Posted on 8/8/26 at 11:40 am to fightin tigers
quote:again, this was a human failure, can you cite how many instances this has happened vs all the violent crime it solved?
If we didnt have the cameras this wouldn't have happened
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