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re: Update: ALL RESCUED - Doctors Father Dies
Posted on 7/6/18 at 10:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 7/6/18 at 10:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Yeah I know. Dumbass.
They’re Thainese
quote:what the hell is wrong with you? I wasnt even talking to you......
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 10:54 pm to Hot Carl
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That was part of the joke.
Went over my head.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 11:02 pm to Ryan3232
Hard hat divers: could you put them in a suit, give them half of a Valium, cuff their hands behind them, duct tape the legs together and just drag them out? No spitting the regulator and drowning in that situation
Posted on 7/6/18 at 11:03 pm to GeeOH
So is the cable option off the table? Read today that the suggestion of leaving them in the cave until the rain season stops is the best option. That seems crazy to me but I understand their caution.
Can’t they pump out that water enough for them to traverse the narrow areas? You’d think that had tons of water flooded the cavern, it would’ve drowned them already which leads me to believe the flow isn’t all that great. Especially considering they haven’t moved further down the cave since they got stuck (to my knowledge anyway).
Can’t they pump out that water enough for them to traverse the narrow areas? You’d think that had tons of water flooded the cavern, it would’ve drowned them already which leads me to believe the flow isn’t all that great. Especially considering they haven’t moved further down the cave since they got stuck (to my knowledge anyway).
Posted on 7/6/18 at 11:07 pm to pensacola
quote:im following. There are tight spaces I have read. If it were more of an opening, maybe they then could run them through like cattle.
Hard hat divers: could you put them in a suit, give them half of a Valium, cuff their hands behind them, duct tape the legs together and just drag them out? No spitting the regulator and drowning in that situation
Tbh, ive looked at a couple different blueprints and have read different things of the structure, but im still even sure it’s night and day from what my brain is imagining.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 11:09 pm to tigerbutt
Those kids are so screwed. It probably be smart to just bring them some cyanide pills.
Id be shocked if they somehow pulled this rescue off
Id be shocked if they somehow pulled this rescue off
Posted on 7/6/18 at 11:13 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Here, allow me to give you your first downvote, POS
Posted on 7/6/18 at 11:32 pm to Large Farva
If a seal can’t make it through, how can a bunch of malnourished kids who can’t swim do it?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:16 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Seals have been making it back forth regularly.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:25 am to RunningBlake
I dove a sunken ship in the GOF and damn near had to be held back to keep me from swimming up as fast as I could from the panic attack that ensued. I really fear for those kids, and the divers with them.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:26 am to CarolinaGamecock99
There have been several comments as to if they went in a certain way, why can't they go back out the same path.
Can't link bc I heard it on the radio; but the report said that when the team realized their initial entry route was flooding and flooding fast; they took any route necessary to stay dry: thus winding up deeper and farther away from the entrance.
I can't imagine the horror of being trapped in this cave. Worse is being a parent with a child trapped in the cave.
Lots of armchair Asian flooded subterranean cave rescue quarterbacks on here - nothing wrong with that, but as we second guess and critique the rescue efforts, offer up a prayer for these kids. If any manage to get out alive, the rescue was a success.
Can't link bc I heard it on the radio; but the report said that when the team realized their initial entry route was flooding and flooding fast; they took any route necessary to stay dry: thus winding up deeper and farther away from the entrance.
I can't imagine the horror of being trapped in this cave. Worse is being a parent with a child trapped in the cave.
Lots of armchair Asian flooded subterranean cave rescue quarterbacks on here - nothing wrong with that, but as we second guess and critique the rescue efforts, offer up a prayer for these kids. If any manage to get out alive, the rescue was a success.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 2:01 am to CarolinaGamecock99
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If a seal can’t make it through, how can a bunch of malnourished kids who can’t swim do it?
Being highly trained and experienced can often cause someone to be complacent and make a fatal mistake. There had already been many successful trips into the cave by divers so it is unusual that this diver ran out of air. I know of two U.S. Navy SEALS that almost died in what should have been a routine search and rescue training dive, because of their experience and the mundane nature of the dive they made a rookie mistake and if not for dumb luck would have been fatal.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 2:32 am
Posted on 7/7/18 at 2:30 am to RunningBlake
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Me too. I had a panic attack the first time I put all that crap on
I've never been diving but the first time I tried to take a hit from a gas mask I had a panic attack once it started to fill with smoke and I ripped it off... so I imagine that's a similar feeling
Posted on 7/7/18 at 2:53 am to tigerbutt
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If rescuers know where the boys are, can't a drill be used to open a hole from above and hoist the boys out?
The spot where the boys and their coach are is about a half-mile down, through mostly solid rock. The mountain terrain above the cave is heavy jungle, with few access roads. Forrest Wilson, the chief diving officer for the National Cave Rescue Commission and who has 50 years of cave diving experience, including several rescues, said drilling into the cave from above is not impossible. But the maps of the cave are not accurate enough to get a good fix on exactly where to drill. "It will take a long time to drill through a half a kilometer of cave," Wilson said. "I don't think there's time."
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Isn't there a way, using modern technology, that rescuers could get a more accurate fix from above on where the boys are?
Yes, there is. It's called a radio cave locator and it's basically a beacon that transmits a radio wave from within the cave and lets people on the outside know precisely where the beacon – and the trapped people – are located. It's unclear if authorities in Thailand are using such a beacon — or if it is making any difference to the rescue effort. Since drilling through such heavy rock would take weeks, having a precise location is probably a moot point.
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That's a big cave. Why are rescuers so worried about oxygen?
Ventilation from the surface is poor. There's simply not enough air going into the cave space to sustain 12 boys and an adult for a long period of time. Rescue workers are trying to run an oxygen line from the mouth of the cave to the chamber where the trapped people are, but that's about three miles. The oxygen level in the cave is estimated to be about 15 percent and decreasing (normal oxygen level is about 21 percent.) A low oxygen level means simple tasks like thinking and basic physical exertion become gradually more exhausting.
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So, what is the best chance to get the trapped people out?
Find a back entrance to the cave. "A cave as large as the one they're in is bound to have a back entrance," Wilson said. "There would be no problem if they found one. They could put harnesses on the kids and pull them out." But finding that back cave entrance in such heavy jungle is extremely difficult. The entrance would likely be a simple hole in the ground, commonly called a "chimney" that would hopefully go straight down to a cavern near where the boys are. But the entrance hole for such a chimney would be hard to spot because of the forest. "There are people walking all over that jungle right now trying to find it," Wilson said.
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Can't the boys just swim out with the help of expert divers?
Sure, but it is very risky. The boys and their coach have been trapped for nearly two weeks and they are getting weaker. Most do not know how to swim. Authorities, however, are increasingly thinking that this may be the best course at this point, since heavy rain is expected Sunday. Thailand's Navy Seal commander said Friday that such an operation would be a daring and risky operation, but that it may be the only chance. "That would be a heck of a job," Wilson said. "The kids are not in good shape to be swimming out. It's a five-hour swim job. It's scary.
This article answers some of the simple questions I was wondering.
LINK
Posted on 7/7/18 at 2:59 am to tigerbutt
More updates I believe
I really hope they can come up with something besides the kids having to dive.
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More than 100 chimneys are being drilled into the mountainside in a frantic bid to reach a Thai youth football team trapped in a cave complex below, the head of the rescue mission said Saturday. The unprecedented rescue effort is attempting to establish new ways to extract the boys from above, if the underground chambers flood and it is deemed too risky to evacuate the team by diving out through the submerged passageways. "Some (of the chimneys) are as deep as 400 metres... but they still cannot find their location yet," Narongsak Osottanakorn told reporters, adding the mission lacked the technology "to pinpoint where they are staying". "We estimate that (they) are 600 metres down, but we don't know the (exact) target," he said. On the question of dipping oxygen levels in the cave, he said rescuers had managed to establish a line to pump in fresh air and had also withdrawn non-essential workers from chamber three -- where the rescue base is -- to preserve levels inside the cave. The "Wild Boar" team have been trapped inside the Tham Luang cave complex for two weeks.
I really hope they can come up with something besides the kids having to dive.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:16 am to beauchristopher
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I really hope they can come up with something besides the kids having to dive.
I feel the same way. It’ll be a miracle if they can save these kids with anymore deaths. The risky options are the best ones right now, and unfortunately it seems as though the deck is stacked against their efforts.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:13 am to Monday
This story is captivating to me due to what seems like impossibility of the rescue.
However, living on this planet has taught me that when the might of human will and ingenuity come together...there are few things that are truly impossible.
I believe we will find a way to get these boys out of there and it will be a great day for humankind.
However, living on this planet has taught me that when the might of human will and ingenuity come together...there are few things that are truly impossible.
I believe we will find a way to get these boys out of there and it will be a great day for humankind.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:14 am to Monday
At some point the fear of the boys' dying in the cave would offset the danger of swimming out. It would be a valiant effort but I believe they could pull it off. Hoping and praying for success.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:18 am to HaveMercy
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Lots of armchair Asian flooded subterranean cave rescue quarterbacks on here - nothing wrong with that, but as we second guess and critique the rescue efforts, offer up a prayer for these kids. If any manage to get out alive, the rescue was a success.
It’s just tossing around ideas baw. People get too fricking sensitive in these threads and it becomes a fight instead of idea-sharing for some reason.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:51 am to Salamander_Wilson
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This story is captivating to me due to what seems like impossibility of the rescue.
Yes. I am hoping for the Hollywood ending.
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