re: 'Unprecedented': Property tax bills have reached double value for Texas homeowners

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Then pony up to pay for all those extra roads and water and sewer lines needed to live in your cringe suburbs.

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How many kids do you have?

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I don’t see why anyone has to live in one place or another.

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financial limitations

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jclem11

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The link starts by saying $12.6B over the next three to four decades. Well, which is it? A decade more or less of incomes and expenses is a pretty broad definition materially impacting the case you are trying to make.

You are using suspect projections (that are now four years old) as if they are fact. The property value increase of the last two years alone materially impacts your “lack of sustainability” argument.

I get that you hate the suburbia lifestyle. You have to pull a part your own personal viewpoint of what a great lifestyle is and the choices at a macro population level. It’s like saying, “I don’t like beef, why would anyone eat beef?”…

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political limitations, safety limitations, literally the list can go on and on in the cities

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Large yards, better schools, places for your kids to ride bikes/play outside, living around like minded individuals.

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As I've already said, you seem unable to grasp the macro concept

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no I get the argument, but you arent fixing the issues in the cities that cause people to leave so why would people even bother to consider fixing the other things?

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More roads and freeways is not the answer dude.

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I said roads AND transit. You’d be surprised at my view of this if we had a conversation. There should absolutely be transit options from the burbs into the city. If nothing else, park and rides with frequent NICE bus service - not crappy city busses but charter types with WiFi and a bathroom. Make it convenient and people will use it.

But congestion is a byproduct of population growth. No way around that no matter what you do.

The assessors probably work for BlackRock and are trying to force everyone from their homes so they can scoop them up!

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poor city design and the reliance on car culture.

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city culture, city crime, city politics, etc.

city design wont fix those issues.

fix those issues and maybe the other one (design) becomes palatable.

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quote: “Any property taxes should be based off of what she paid, not to even touch on the fact that property taxes are bullshite.”


good way to ruin public schools and infrastructure

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Not always. Any new development usually comes from land whose owners were paying very low property taxes on extremely high market values due to Ag loss write downs in taxable values. They don’t even have to be a true total working farms in the way outsiders would view a working farm to be. Process converting land coded as ag/farm to commercial or residential can trigger entities to attempt to collect some back taxes, but exponentially increases the amount of taxes collected from that point out - first on land now without Ag loss reductions in taxable values and then on improvements as they are completed.

Also increases to the tax rate can also be done (some without public vote and some with public vote needed), but most entities would prefer to hide behind increasing taxable property value side of equation and even label tax rate decrease a tax cut while taking more money from you. Usage fees can also be increased for some services. Residents have much less control over CAD’s boards than taxing entities do. Forcing the directly elected boards of the taxing entities to increase tax rates and/or put increases out for direct voter approval is a more transparent way to increase tax dollars.

Not saying taxable value should stay the same but 10% limit for homeowners creates tax dollar increase completely independent of income changes or required expenses. Back in 2013/2014 we started hitting these 10% caps with respective increased taxes at same time as other required by law expenses or taxes like ObamaCare increases were beginning to kick our butts.

In some places businesses can submit info to get property taxes based on revenue or profit instead of appraised property value (or at least get taxes reduced). Apartments can also get tax credits or reduction for building “affordable housing”. Landlords renting houses can increase rent with next contract and/or for new renters. For most home owners there is no annual income from house they live in (unless they are renting out a room), so even with 10% homestead limit on increase and some entities like school tax forced to exempt additional amount from tax calculation they see their property taxes go up completely independent of increases or decreases in their income and also independent of benefits received from these entities or costs these entities have because of them.


Note - Taxes don’t automatically increase in year by same rate as property’s taxable value increase as the entities have some limits on what they can set without a public vote or public notice/debate, but the total dollar amount paid by homeowners usually always goes up with allowed effective rate increases and can be close to same % increase as property value increase for homeowner every now and then (on top of any additional increase from tax rate increases). The annual 10% limit on assessed value increases also really just slows down when increase hits and creates a buffer to keep increasing assessed/taxable value after market/appraised values slow down or stay the same.