re: United Steel Workers call for strike at ExxonMobil Refinery in Beaumont

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Dad recently retired from union president spot. None of you pussies would say shite to his face.

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At one time, unions provided skilled workers that had documentation supporting technical basis for their assigned skill level. I think it was in 80’s or so that it all started to change. If XOM needed 30 journeyman electricians, 30 apprentice electricians etc., the necessary skilled resources were provided. It started to become more of a “let’s just fill the slots” environment . When it changed, a worker could be a journeyman electrician one job and the next job an apprentice PF with no prior experience in the craft at all. If unions could demonstrate that they could provide the necessary skilled labor, I’m confident that large companies would pay the extra costs associated. The problem is that the unions now want companies to pay more for less and strong arm companies to keep under performing individuals protected by union laws. It’s also pretty sad that folks vote for a union that has the power to tell its members to strike, knowing members could go on half pay after so much time, but the union leadership is never in jeopardy of reduced pay thanks to all the dues paid by the members that are supposedly protected.

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Remember, most of these negotiators are not union big wigs. These are hourly workers that represent the masses.

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Absolutely and completely bullshite.

Labor lawyers are negotiating this and receive annual salaries WELL north of 6 figures.

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This is some damn fine corporate boot licking. Yes there are a number of corrupt unions but that doesn't take away from what good unions have brought us in the past

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It’s impossible to fire union employees for poor performance in an industrial setting. It either must be a massive safety violation through complete negligence or bypassing multiple safety protocols, repeatedly falling asleep on the job and trying to hide it, or sexual/racial/religious harassment.

Yet the management lackeys are still getting paid while the wage personnel are taking their orders from the union and staying at home. So who is the smarter of the two?

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Unions have put union people out of work simply because they put idiots in charge who don't understand that their meddling gets plants shut down and reopened in less union friendly places. Boeing for example.

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Are you saying the union put people in charge like Harry Stonecipher? Lol

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r man for the USW for the majority of that time. He's gone moderate now because the Democrats have shifted so far right. He said the union always told

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WUT??

they need to do like the local UAW workers did, they talked to the Plant Manager and got a meeting with him, no Union officials allowed in.

The union officials found out and they sent all kinds of losers from International down to harass plant manager, and he said frick this.

Monthish later, plant closed, Obama sold them ALL out.

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Now that those have become well established cemented into law, unions are no longer needed.

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“Needed” is irrelevant. The purpose of collective bargaining is getting more than you could as an individual. There’s an irony to all the anti union threads addressing the fact union workers are paid more than they’re worth...which is the reason unions exist.