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re: United 23 - fifth plane on 9/11? (Beware, long read)
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:53 am to Ghost of Colby
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:53 am to Ghost of Colby
quote:Yeah. If you have inside guys planting weapons, why not have them plant something you can't just carry on yourself, like, IDK.... a gun?
But I thought the reason they used box cutters is because they could get them through security at the time.
The terrorists successfully did so on the actual 4 planes that were hijacked. However, this conspiracy theory wants us to believe that plan (that actually worked) wasn’t good enough. Instead, they had to employ a bunch of shadowy airline contractors, drag them into a much more complicated plot, but it failed.
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:54 am to cwil1
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Still amazing. How a guy who could barely fly a cesna. Managed to do a corkscrew descending turn. And hit the pentagon dead level.
Flying a plane is not really as hard as people think it is. Also, that hijacker was a trained pilot already. He was likely chosen for the Pentagon plane specifically because it was the hardest target to hit.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:57 am to skeeter531
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exactly--that maneuver was extremely difficult, not to mention flying mere feet off the ground for a long distance and....WHY did this plane fly over the pentagon and make that crazy descending turn and fly into the building where it did---which just happened to be the office investigating the missing trillions of dollars. The plane (if there was a plane) could've made a straight shot hit into the pentagon from its original path. Seems like it was hellbent on hitting a specific location eh?
So originally it couldn't be done bc the pilots didn't know wtf they were doing but now it wasn't done bc it's impossible the pilots fricked up and didn't hit the building on the first pass?
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:00 pm to Woolfpack
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Lots of people were stuck in traffic on 9/11 and saw the plane hit the pentagon. They were barraged with nut jobs from the “inside job” cult contacting, harassing and even threatening them to the point they all stopped telling the actual account they witnessed. One cab driver, a foreigner, tells his story openly and without fear. The light pole that was hit fell very near his car he was in with a passenger who also witnessed the plane hit the pentagon.
They'll just ignore all of this
Our government sucks, our government is full of shite, I'll even allow that there's a slight possibility a small number of government people knew a little more in advance than they've let on, but the basic facts of the event are mostly true
Posted on 7/10/24 at 12:10 pm to Wishnitwas1998
TX Tiger and a couple others brought up like 5 or 6 different points of contention the last time we had a pentagon 9/11 thread. All 5 or 6 were very easily debunked with photographic evidence but that obviously wasn't good enough 
Posted on 7/10/24 at 1:53 pm to Sneauxghost
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That doesn’t explain the towers’ collapse, the missile that hit the pentagon, the lack of plane parts at the pentagon or in the field, the charges detonating in the towers and the charges detonated later that afternoon bringing down another building
Posted on 7/10/24 at 2:33 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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exactly--that maneuver was extremely difficult, not to mention flying mere feet off the ground for a long distance and....WHY did this plane fly over the pentagon and make that crazy descending turn and fly into the building where it did---which just happened to be the office investigating the missing trillions of dollars. The plane (if there was a plane) could've made a straight shot hit into the pentagon from its original path. Seems like it was hellbent on hitting a specific location eh?
So originally it couldn't be done bc the pilots didn't know wtf they were doing but now it wasn't done bc it's impossible the pilots fricked up and didn't hit the building on the first pass?
What I actually believe is that the saudis onboard with box cutters were smokescreen for the ones who were actually controlling the planes remotely--the technology did exist . Inside job.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 4:27 pm to skeeter531
there are a lot of naive people on this board who don't realize the number of truly awful things our own government has done--proven things. I have no doubt whatsoever that a faction who would profit (both monetarily and politically) from a "catastrophic and catalyzing event -like a new Pearl Harbor" that would get the public behind military intervention in the middle east, was behind 9/11. (quote from PNAC document)
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 4:36 pm to skeeter531
That’s cool and all, but you would have to be a true loon and mental midget to believe in most of the 9-11 conspiracies.
Like very stupid.
Like very stupid.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 4:53 pm to skeeter531
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there are a lot of naive people on this board who don't realize the number of truly awful things our own government has done--proven things
I find that most people who object aren't doing it bc the government wouldn't do it but bc the theories for the most part don't make a lick of sense
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:29 pm to SpotCheckBilly
Prob working for the Biden administration
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:37 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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I find that most people who object aren't doing it bc the government wouldn't do it but bc the theories for the most part don't make a lick of sense
Have you not heard of Operation Northwoods? During the Kennedy administration the JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFFS proposed a plan to shoot down civilian and military planes and blame it on Cuba as an excuse to go to war against them. Thankfully Kennedy was moral enough to say NO.
Have you heard of MK Ultra? Thousands of Americans over a 20 year period were given LSD without their knowledge.
The Tuskegee Experiment?
I put nothing past our government. Either party.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:54 pm to skeeter531
quote:Logical fallacy. Just because I don't believe your particular bullshite doesn't mean I believe the government hasn't done other bullshite.
there are a lot of naive people on this board who don't realize the number of truly awful things our own government has done--proven things
And the fact that the government has done other bullshite isn't proof that it did your bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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northshorebamaman
Bingo! Perfectly said.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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TX Tiger and a couple others brought up like 5 or 6 different points of contention the last time we had a pentagon 9/11 thread. All 5 or 6 were very easily debunked with photographic evidence but that obviously wasn't good enough
You are mistaken. I no longer bring up points of contention when it comes to 9/11 and haven't for probably a decade.
I do, however, bring up the bottom line - why did it happen. Trying to argue the particulars on how it was pulled off is an exercise in futility because neither you nor I have any clue as to the advanced technology TPTB possesses.
It would be as if I walked into a cave full of cavemen and struck a match. Imagine the outlandish theories and infighting that would follow as those cavemen tried to explain to one another how I did that.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:27 pm to TX Tiger
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Trying to argue the particulars on how it was pulled off is an exercise in futility
Great so we kind of agree. But for those like you who push the really crazy stuff, if you want people to somewhat take it seriously, present it to us as a who did it, how they did it, and why. Since you have it all figured out it shouldn’t be that hard.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 7:46 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:33 pm to notiger1997
quote:Can you give us an example?
But for those like you who push the really crazy stuff
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:41 pm to cwil1
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Managed to do a corkscrew descending turn. And hit the pentagon dead level.
I just watched a simulation of the flight and it didn’t look all that complicated but I’m not a pilot so wtf do I know.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:42 pm to Odysseus32
quote:My dad was, they were forced to land in Omaha. My mom and a family friend had to drive out that day/night to get him and the friend’s wife who was a flight attendant also grounded there.
Imagine being on a plane when 9/11 happened
Not having my parents around that night on top of the general trauma of the event was rough, just a lot for the mind of a 7th grader.
Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever asked my dad about his experience that day. Will need to do that.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:37 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
I can tell you because I was in the air like your Dad...it was a crazy ride descending that quickly with no information as to why..then trying to get home was impossible as all the rental cars were not coming back to the airports...I still have my framed ticket from that flight on 9/11.
I had a friend trying to leave Chicago who got a visit from the FBI after being sent home from his canceled flight...he said the questions led him to believe that his flight was probably to be hijacked as well, as they asked him about certain persons sitting on the ends of 4 different rows and anything else he noticed about the flight before it pushed back from the gate...
I believe shutting down all flights from taking off saved a lot of lives that day.
I had a friend trying to leave Chicago who got a visit from the FBI after being sent home from his canceled flight...he said the questions led him to believe that his flight was probably to be hijacked as well, as they asked him about certain persons sitting on the ends of 4 different rows and anything else he noticed about the flight before it pushed back from the gate...
I believe shutting down all flights from taking off saved a lot of lives that day.
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